The Phil-list Jul_2006: [philmont] Better Red Wool Jackets

From: Allen Jones <osuallen@cox.net>
Date: Sat Jul 29 2006 - 21:17:12 CDT

The exorbitant cost of the venturing shorts and pants make the green shorts/pants seem pretty reasonably priced. Also, they are 100% cotton. While yes they should be quite durable, 100% cotton is the last thing that you would ever want to take on a high adventure activity - and pretty undesirable for most any type of active activity that most Venturers would be participating in.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Garrett, Russ
  To: philmont List Member
  Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:04 AM
  Subject: [philmont] Better Red Wool Jackets

  I suspect that the uniform is a big revenue producer for BSA. No one likes
  the pants or shorts. The venturing shorts and pants are a huge improvement
  over the scout pants and shorts.

  I think that the cost frustration is related in part to the dislike of the
  pants. The other frustration concerns me but les in some ways. Cost
  concerns me to kids to get in. On the other hand, school and club sports
  cost more. Soccer, football, lacrosse etc all cost more than scouting.
  This is a good topic to discuss but perhaps off this list (yeah, I know. I
  throw down the gauntlet and then say we shouldn't discuss it). Ok, philmont
  is no exception. The cost to go including travel and equipment not to
  mention preparatiin cost is not something easily afforded. I think that the
  cost is relatively small for what you get but it does cost something more
  that one uniform (and you generally need two of those for traveling). If we
  had useful and desirable pants and shorts that most people liked, we'd be
  less concerned about the cost.

  Also, interesting that the high adventure camps have stores that sell really
  useful and desirable "stuff". We use fleece vests in our troop. They were
  inexpensive and have our troop patch sewn on it but we do require the full
  bsa official uniform at meetings and functions.

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Terry Pogue
  To: philmont List Member
  Sent: Sat Jul 29 04:05:31 2006
  Subject: [philmont] Better Red Wool Jackets

  Pete,
  Thanks for the great source of red wool jackets, I would be hesitant calling
  it official since National Supply doesn't sell it (I do wonder how they sell
  it with the BSA patch). The real point of my note about jackets was that the
  BSA National Supply shoud be doing those jackets for kids and adults in red
  fleece!! We've sort of started a troop tradition with red fleece jackets.
  Great outdoor material in wet weather, far cheaper for the customer (kids
  and their families) and a whole lot easier and cheaper to clean - throw it
  in the washing machine. Now, if we could have some forum to discuss the
  hideous cost of uniforms and the declining use of uniforming (especially
  pants) because of the prohibitive cost to families.

Pete Swiggum <Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

  Gang,

  I see a reference to the red wool Scout jackets getting thinner and more
  expensive. I agree.

Here's a great option... and the best part is it's an official jacket and
looks the same as the thinner and more expensive model.

  Bemidji Woolen Mills in Bemidji, MN makes the red wool Scout jackets for
  Northern Tier. It's a heavier material AND it has slash pockets in the
  front.

  THEN, when you throw in the fact it comes with the same BSA patch already
  sewn on the pocket, they come in TALL SIZES and are in the range of $40 less
  than the one made by company "X", I say it's a case of getting more for
  less.

http://www.bemidjiwoolenmills.com/details.php?id=voyscout

Bought one for my son and I'm already envious. It's a nicer jacket than
mine.

  When you look at the link, the jacket appears to not be available in the
  TALL sizes. However, the Scout jacket is the same as their Voyageur jacket
  which is available in the tall sizes. Simply give them a call.

  The other option is to call Northern Tier and order it there. Their trading
  post inventory is online. Go to www.ntier.org and click on the Trading Post
  Catalog link.

  (No, I don't work for either Bemidji or NT. Just a happy Scouter who likes
  their product.)

  Pete Swiggum
  Green Bay, WI

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