[Philmont] Stay out of their way

I'll disagree a tad.

Advisors advise, which involves a fair amount of tounge biting; Crew Leaders
Lead; and Crews follow. When properly tuned this isn't an issue, but it is
important to allow the crew leader to lead the crew, not make crew decisions
based on popular vote. Hopefully the crew respects the crew leader, and the
crew leader has some leadership skills, all that is left then is to counsel
as need to make sure that the leader is leading effectively. A philmont
trek presents a gret opportunity to develop leadership skills

Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:Philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of Mike
Wegenka
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:51 PM
  To: Philmont List Member
  Subject: [Philmont] Stay out of their way

  John's spot on with the advice to let the youth make the mistakes. You
should start this with every practice hike and preparation you make even
before getting to Philmont. Tell them consensus rules for every decision
(so they can't say "I told you that was wrong", afterwards) and watch them
figure out what way they want to do something and, if it does not impact
safety or health, go along with their decision.

  Aside:
  Went on a practice hike on Saturday in an area I was familiar with. There
was a junction in the trail where there were five paths, not four as shown
on the older maps I had brought. They were interested in going the shortest
distance possible and took the first trail to the right as it was the
shortest by that map. I asked if this was the way the wanted to go and is
anyone going to take a compass reading. (Since we were under a forest
canopy, it was about noon, and the trail we had just come up twisted us
around a bit in the last half mile, and I wasn't exactly sure of my
orientation without taking a quick check on my bearings) The eldest scout
was adamant that this was the right way, convinced the others (older =
wiser?) so we added two extra miles as a new trail took a crooked meandered
up and down a 500' high ridge a few times.

  It was definitely a teaching moment when we finally made it back to the
cars and they decided what they did wrong and what/ how they should approach
this in the future since the adviser was more than willing to get a little
more exercise.

  Mike Wegenka
  T48 Onalaska, WI

  ----- Original Message ----
  From: John LeBlanc <philmontjohn@yahoo.com>
  To: Philmont List Member <Philmont@troop47.com>
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:51:49 PM
  Subject: [Philmont] Stay out of their way

  Step five - get out of their way, and have fun watching them learn....

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