[Philmont] 30% pack weight limit

Al
The upper half of the thermal underwear I left in the car because with t-shirt,long sleeve shirt, fleece jacket and rainjacket -- I deemed that I had enough layers to be safe and stay warm.
I grew up in Binghamton , NY hunted, fished (Ice fished every season ) and hiked. So, I trusted my experience with layering and cold.
 
I did not force my opinion on anyone in the crew -- my son took his entire long underwear and used them nightly but he left his rain pants behind -- we had only one hard rainfall (at Copper Park) and it lasted 30 minutes and we were under the dining fly.
 
I understand that if we were in the middle of a 11 mile hike and its started raining that we would have
to walk in wet hiking pants but unless we were on an autumn Adventure I do not necessarily believe that would definitely mean hypothermia -- your body core would still be layered and have a rain jacket over it. Also, the extremely low humidity led quick drying.
 
My dropping of the top of my thermal underwear and rainpants was well considered given
the time of the year, the experience of the Ranger and the other adult Advisor who came,
and my experience with inclement weather.
 
I suppose in hindsight (aren't we all smarter when looking back?) I might use my thermal underwear as 'sleeping' clothes and not bring a set of clothes to sleep in. After all, I only slept in them -- it was too hot most the day for long underwear.
 
I would pack with more clothing IF I was doing a autumn adventure.
 
Yis
Sam

>>> On 18-Jul-07 at 7:06 AM, in message <MDAEMON-F200707180707.AA0711347pd50003810781@troop47.com>, <lehigh78@aim.com> wrote:
Larry Taylor writes...

<snip> we left our thermal shirts and rain pants in the cars. We had long sleeve shirts and a fleece jacket each and these without the thernal shirt worked fine.

Comments...

I would NEVER go on the trail without rainpants - they are a health and safety issue when it comes to hypothermia.

If "thermal shirts" are the upper part of long underwear, I would also recommend taking them (if they are something else, agree that they are not needed.)

The personal equipment list in the Guidebook to Adventure has changed minimally in the past 8 years that I have been looking at it - that is the last word on necessary and sufficient gear, and any deviations need to well thought out. For instance, I do not carry gloves to keep my hands warm - if necessary, I'd use a pair of socks as mittens (though I never have).

The fact that the end of a trek I have not used something like rainpants or long underwear really has no bearing on whether I might need them the next time.

The converse it true - if it is NOT in the eqipment list, you don't need it. I am not recommending a car camping "this might come in handy" attitude.

- Al Thomson
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