RE: [Philmont] - Permethrin

We have 3 crews going to NT- Sommers in less than 2 weeks. We had a troop
outing this past weekend. I thought I try the Permethrin advice below to see
how it works. I purchased the 13.3% Permethrin concentrate from
bugpage.com. I diluted the concentrate as per the guidance below and soaked
a t-shirt and a pair of nylon zip-off pants (with built-in mesh underwear)
in the mixture. After drying for the day, I put them on Friday night for
the 3 hour drive to the state park we were staying at. About 10PM I began to
feel a burning sensation in my "privates". Wishing I had worn a pair of
cotton underwear between myself and the mesh liner, I found myself giving
myself a sponge bath around midnight. I changed into untreated clothes and
had a great weekend camping and hiking with the troop. I guess I'm a bit
concerned about soaking all my clothes and then disappearing into the
wilderness for 9 days given this initial experience (what else might burn if
exposed long enough?). Anyone else have additional experience I could learn
from.

Thanks

Randy Pfeifer
(847) 632-5563

P.S. oh, yeah... no mosquito bites.... (although the population wasn't very
large).

 -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Mayer [mailto:dave.mayer@southwest-consulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - Permethrin

I'm sure it would not, and I don't consider it such. It has a faint odor
after drying, and none a day or so later - certainly none after washing.

It is, however, difficult to get. The retail packaging (from a place like
travmed.com) is not shippable to California (any longer). You CAN get the
industrial packaging shipped to California from a place like bugpage.com.

For clothing, you want the 13.3% concentrate. 4 parts water to 1 part
Permethrin. Use rubber gloves - soak completely and let dry on the line.

I recently did all my clothes for a week-long trip to Costa Rica - the
little suckers bit everyone else but us...

<> Happy Trails, Dave <>
Crew Advisor - Venturing Crew 131 - Pasadena, CA
Philmont 726-J P2K

Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:17:46 -0500
From: Robert Haig <rhaig@hackboy.com>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Just two Things...maybe three

On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 07:57:30PM -0500, R Fisher wrote:
> There could be some truth to this based on the evidence - even if
> circumstantial. I don't recall being bothered by mosquitos at Philmont,
> although flies were noticable at several camps (and repellent doesn't
> work on flies)

Permethrin, however, does work on flies. It's designed to be applied to
clothing though, not your skin. so it's usefulness in the heat of the day
(when flies can be really bad) is minimal since you'll probably be wearing
short sleeves.

I'll re-ask my earlier question about permethrin though. Does anyone know
if a permethrin treated piece of clothing would be considered a smellable?

For those of you not familiar with permethrin, one heavy treatment on a
garment can last up to 6 weeks (including washings). So it's weight
is really nothing.

I'd guess it's not a smellable since it doesn't work as a repellant,
but as an insecticide, killing mosquitos and flies instead of repelling
them. But I'd still like to hear from someone "in the know".

-- 
Rob
<> Happy Trails <>
Dave 
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