RE: [Philmont]: Help

I had another thought that goes along these lines. Everything the
crewmember does impacts the crew. It's not just what happens to him. If he
gets injured or sick on the trail because his personal gear was inadequate,
the crew suffers through the delays and they have to expend energy on
something that should not have happened.

Joe T

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Garrett, Russ
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 1:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Help

I agree. Proper boots, raingear and smellable issues are safety issues for
both the scout, personally, as well as the crew collectively. In looking
out for the safety and the best interest of the crew, the scout must be
prepared according to Philmont's guidlines. Even the ranger at the ranch
will expect appropriate equipment.

If you're insisting on adherance to Philmont guidelines, then you're doing
the right thing.

Russ Garrett
Bullivant|Houser|Bailey PC
805 Broadway Street, Suite 400
Vancouver, WA 98660-3310
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From: Pete Swiggum <peter.swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Sat Jun 04 10:49:12 2005
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Help

My thoughts exactly. Any Scout who is that ill-prepared and has parents who
aren't interested in preparing him properly, should be staying home.
 
I agree with the person who said that Scouting is all about learning and the
boy should be allowed to go with the gear he has as along as it's not a
safety issue. However, if this situation is as it sounds, the boy and the
parents don't have a clue and aren't interested in getting one.
 
After all attempts to get him "geared up" have failed, I'd cut him and
invite him to go next time - after he understands the importance of being
properly equipped.
 
Pete Swiggum
Troop 1173
Green Bay, WI
Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net
2005 Philmont 724-M2
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Tavares
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: help

I assume you are the lead advisor. You need to explain to the *scout* that
if he is not adequately prepared, based on the list of equipment that you
have provided (you did provide the list?), then he can't go and his fees
will not be refunded.

  _____

From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Magnevolt@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:27 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: help

We are going to Philmont in July.
I have a parent who is driving me to drink.
First she wanted to let her son hike in tennis shoes.
I explained why that was not a good idea.
We have had a pack inspection before each of the last two hikes.
On the last two practice hikes her son brought Deodorant, Hair gel, and
shampoo even though there was no place to take a shower, and we had told
them not to bring things like this on the trail.
He brought flip flops on the last hike. His rain gear consisted of a thin
poncho that had holes in it. Some of the holes were patched with duct tape.
Others were left not patched. He did not bring a cold weather layer.
I have explained the reasons (in a nice way) for having the items in the
guidebook on the trail to him and the parent. I have tried to explain that
the parent does not have to go out and buy the most expensive, lightest
weight, newest item just get some equipment to protect her son on the trail.
I have also explained that if money is an issue please let me know and I
would lend the scout some equipment. They have the Guidebook, and I have
Emailed a personal list of equipment just like the guidebook to all the
crew.
The parent is now calling the Contingent leader and complaining to him that
I am being a stickler about the equipment. She is also calling other parents
and complaining about me and the equipment needs. This is having a negative
affect on crew harmony.
I consider this a straight safety issue. I have been to Philmont, HH and
know what can happen if you do not have rain gear, cold weather clothes
layer, boots, etc.,etc.
 
Back ground info: The crew is made up of 7 scouts and two adults from this
parents troop. Two scouts and myself are making up the balance of the crew.
We are from a different troop. This parents troop has had very little
backpacking experience (three of them have been on one hike, ever, That is
their backpacking experience.).
 
Have any of you have a similar problem. I have not.
 
Thanks for your help.
Name withheld because I do not need any more trouble
 
 
 

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