The Phil-list Jun_2007: [philmont] Innies vs Outies

From: Jim Moss <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com>
Date: Thu Jun 07 2007 - 00:43:39 CDT

I actually have three tents that allow me to see the stars.

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From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Jansen
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:35 PM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Innies vs Outies

And if you want to view the stars from inside your tent, consider the
tent described at:

http://mbstores-store.stores.yahoo.net/revmounharni.html

I wonder if there are other tents which would allow you to see the
night sky and do your astronomy while you are flat on your back.

Joe Jansen
JAJansenJr@gmail.com

On 6/6/07, Jim Moss <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Brought back great memories as a young Scout camping in wet, soggy,
clothing
> and wet soggy sleeping bags with dirt and mud 3 inches thick on my wet
> boots.
>
>
>
> Thanks Heavens for modern equipment.
>
>
>
> 1. I carry my own tent. Dependent upon the season, in summer I
> use one with netting so I can watch the stars. Can't sleep outside at
> Philmont but nothing like sleeping under the stars and waking up and
seeing
> where they are now, (unless I rolled over then I panic wondering what
> happened to the sky!) 13 nights in my sleeping bag this year and no tent
> yet!
>
>
>
> 2. I check my tents once a year and re-UV and waterproof them.
> Nikiwax and Granger both have great products for this. I just did four
> tents today and one yesterday. (The neighbors are now convinced I'm nuts.
> Especially the ones that washed their trucks the whole time I was washing
> tents, with a really dirty truck.)
>
>
>
> This gives me the opportunity to check for holes (found 2) zipper problems
> (found 1) lines, (made sure all tent lines were reflective) and poles.
(use
> the poles, just don't count them..) Also is a great time to remember how
to
> set up a tent you haven't used in a while. Sort of embarrassing to put a
> rain fly on backwards, but better in the driveway then in a windstorm on a
> trip.
>
>
>
> 3. Roll/fold/stuff everything back up and make sure the outside
> of the bags are well labeled. (I don't want to talk about a boundary water
> trip with one tent and another set of poles...) I carry poles in a
separate
> pole bag. They can be strapped on the outside of my pack and have a
> tendency to last longer because I see them. Also makes it easy to split
the
> weight with someone else.
>
>
>
> 5. I drop my pack to my feet and grab the rain cover. I keep
the
> rain cover real handy, on top and available without undoing much. I throw
> the rain cover off where I'm going to lean my pack. Keeps the pack off
the
> ground and collects things that I drop or that fall out of the pack.
Easier
> to not dust off clothing and spend 20 minutes looking for something small
in
> the sand/leaves/pine needles..
>
>
>
> 6. I don't use a ground cloth. I spend 15 minutes on my hands
and
> knees looking at where my tent will be pitched. I look for rocks, sticks,
> anything that will poke a hole in my tent floor. I also look for ants
when
> I'm in the southwest. I tell everyone it is because I don't want to harm
any
> part of nature. The real reason is the little suckers can bite hard and
can
> get into any tent! I also look for things that by 2:00 am will smell like
> excrement, skunk cabbage in the east, etc. Bad smells can go through a
tent
> floor but not out the netting at the top of the tent. I figure out which
> way is east and set my tent up with the door facing the east. I tell
> everyone so I can see the sunrise. The real reason is 90% of the storms
out
> here come from the west.
>
>
>
> 7. I pull out my pad if it requires inflating and throw it in
the
> tent. I grab my sleeping bag and throw it in near the pad along with my
> pillow. (Yes I carry a pillow!). I leave the sleeping bag in the bag. I
> only unroll it when I climb in to go to bed. Stuffed in a stuff sack the
> chances are zero that a bug, scorpion/snake will crawl in (I've seen it
> happen, the scorpion I mean) and less damage if someone dumps soup,
> spaghetti or dinner in general on my bag (seen that happen way too many
> times.)
>
>
>
> Then I relax.
>
>
>
> 8. Before I crawl in the tent I reach in and tighten the valve
on
> m pad. No use letting it lose all the air it gained by sitting on it as I
> get in. When I crawl in my tent I un-stuff my sleeping bag and throw it at
> the far end of the tent out of the way. It will inflate/puff up
sufficiently
> ok. This keeps it out of the way of dirt, tent mates, etc. I get ready
for
> bed, lay out my bag, grab my pillow and look at the stars. (Unless it is
> raining, then I growl and wonder where the rain fly is.)
>
>
>
> If you want a great ground cloth, steal the shower curtain. It is heavy
> plastic that stops rocks. Easy to replace and you can cut them with
> scissors to fit. (Tell your spouse the shower curtain thief struck. He or
> she will know it's a Philmont thing..) Lay the shower curtain out in the
> driveway and hose it down. Take a brush and detergent (biodegradable) and
> scrub it down and hose it off. Let dry and set up your tent or map out
the
> Philmont tent dimensions with a marker and cut 1 or 2" smaller all the way
> around.
>
>
>
> I have no great double entendres regarding extra protection, sex and
camping
> like John did. I am in awe!
>
>
>
> Jim Moss
>
>
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> From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of John
> LeBlanc
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:49 PM
> To: philmont List Member
> Subject: [philmont] Innies vs Outies
>
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> Ground cloths.
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> Open says me, the proverbial can of worms.
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> Being that I was a Scout in the days before tents had sewn in bottoms, we
> used ground cloths extensively.
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> At Philmont in 1959 as a Scout, I used my official BSA poncho as my ground
> cloth under my sleeping bag. What did I use for rain protection after the
> tent was set up and before retiring? Of course, the poncho. We set the
> bedrolls on a layer of crossed sticks built like a log cabin fire lay to
> keep them up off the damp ground until we crawled inside the tent and
> carefully spread out the poncho and unrolled the bedroll. Attention to
> detail kept us dry then and will keep you dry today.
>
>
>
>
>
> OK. there are two schools of thought on a ground cloth used with tents
with
> sewn in floors.
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> Innies and Outies.
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> Inside
>
>
> Both have advantages over the other but the purpose of it is to keep one's
> bedding dry and for that duty, the choice location of it is INSIDE the
tent.
> This is contrary to convential wisdon, but it works and works well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Inside, it is protected from sharp sticks and rocks by the tent floor and
> you don't have to worry about dripping water on the top of the edge
running
> on top of the ground cloth and under your tent floor and soaking through
to
> wet your sleeping bag as surely as a bad dream does.
>
>
>
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> During one of those frequent monsonnal downpours that occur on occasion in
> the mountains of Philmont, you can pull the edges of the inside sheet of
> plastic up into the shape of a boat and remain nice and dry even though
> water is seeping in the bottom of the tent which it WILL DO.
>
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>
> Outies
>
>
> The only thing a ground cloth does better outside under the tent floor is
to
> keep the tent floor clean. That is not the purpose of it, but if your
> vanity insists you do this, then by all means do so, but be aware that at
> some time in the future in the middle of the night when you wake up in a
wet
> bed, just remember that I told you so.
>
>
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> When the ground cloth needs repositioning, which they all will, if its
> OUTSIDE, then guess what, you got OUTSIDE in the rain to fix it. Not a
> smart idea is it?
>
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>
>
>
> This outie thing probably got started by a mother admonishing her son to
> "keep your tent tidy and clean sonny!". For Petes sake, tents are
washable!
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> Tyvek or Plastic
>
>
> Many prefer Tyvek, but heavy plastic will do very well indeed. The choice
> is yours.
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> Double coverage
>
>
> Some choose both innies adn outies. This is quite similar to using two
> forms of birth control and if it's that's important to you or fear of
> wetness is scary and the thought will ruin your day/night, then by all
means
> consider carrying the extra but unnecessary weight of double protection.
>
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> Don't go just on my word, give them both a try in a real rain, vanity not
> withstanding, and tell me which works best.
>
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>
> John LeBlanc
>
>
> Philmont crew 1959 and 2002
>
>
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>
>
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