[Philmont] Footwear question

Dropping pot of boiling broth on keens versus real shoes. Health department
(which vary by county and state) might not stop you, but maybe common
sense...

Jim Moss

From: Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:Philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of kirk
maes
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:30 AM
To: Philmont List Member
Subject: [Philmont] Footwear question

Keens are actually patented as a "closed toe shoes" and as such the health
department cannot stop you from wearing them if you worked in a restaurant
kitchen. (OSHA has a requirement that you must wear "closed toe shoe" at
work in a kitchen, amongst other places.) Philmont can ( and of course does)
make what ever rules they want, but the only way to promote change is to
start the first step by asking for their opinion about your foot ware. If
(when) they say NO, ask for a waiver due to your specific situation. The
proof is in the pudding, 150 miles of backpacking with 30+ pounds on your
back and Keens on your feet may be the right mix of data to allow an
exception. Plenty of experienced backpackers have changed from traditional
boots to shoes and even to Keens and such. Philmont will eventually grow
with the times, but it will be a slow growth and will occur only if and when
their guests apply more frequent pressure to allow easier access to foot
ware exceptions, which in time will allow for a relaxation of the current
rules (which in reality are not unreasonable as they stand today).

Kirk Maes, Troop 503, Vero Beach FL, Phil of the future - June 08

On 6/21/07, Bob Gardere <rfgardere@tx.rr.com> wrote:

I wore these as camp shoes in 2005 http://www.rei.com/product/720183 The
heal is closed off more than the other pair. I also wore my sock liners
after I rubbed a blister on my heal retreving the bear bags one morning
(only one I got on the trek). Like them because I can put them toe in heal
and strap on my backpack, and they allow my feet to air. The are also
perfect for kayaking (first place I used them). On second pair.

Bob Gardere
Troop 895
Richardson TX
Trek 21 2005
AA '04 & '06
WB63 Philmont 2001 (Candidate)
WB79 Philomnt 2006 (Staff)
Used to be a Fox

---- Troop 681 Kim P < <mailto:troop681@hotmail.com> troop681@hotmail.com>
wrote:

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I used these for my "CAMP" shoes in 2003 and plan to use them this summer
too. No one said anything in 2003.

I wanted these in 2003 after having to "wet foot" cross a lot of streams in
1999. Happy there are LOTS of bridges to use now.

Wouldn't want to hike full time in them, taking lots of duct tape in case I
blow out a boot.

Kim Pigorsch Philmont '99, '03, '07 (724-T) Troop 681 Outdoor Chairmun (sic)
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Diego, CA> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:10:09 -0400> From: jajansenjr@gmail.com
<mailto:jajansenjr@gmail.com> > To: Philmont@troop47.com> Subject:
[Philmont] Footwear question> > The picture of the sandles shows they are
open at the back. I personally> would not want to wear these on the trail as
I look for all around protection> of my feet when on trails like those at
Philmont.> > As to what Philmont will allow, you would do well to ask them
ahead of> time. Email them the link to the picture and get their opinion.> >
Joe Jansen> JAJansenJr@gmail.com> Philmont 1965; 1978> (who both times wore
hiking boots, although around camp wore> the boots with the laces not
tightly bound in order to let the feet move more> freely in the boot which
allowed the feet to breathe)> > On 6/21/07, Jim Wiscombe <
JWiscombe@concreteservicessac.com> wrote:> >> >> > I know Philmont's stand
on sandals, but how do they view then new breed of> > closed toe
sandals....> >> > http://www.rei.com/product/701676> >> > I have minor feet
issues; Tailor's Bunion, not bad but after walking with> > 30+ lbs of weight
for 6-8 hours the sides of my feet get swollen due to the> > constant
rubbing. These new cross breed shoes do not cause your feet to> > sweat
anywhere near as much as even trail shoes, but are listed as sandals.> >> >
any thoughts?> >> >> >> >> > Jim> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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