From: Phil Brown (philbrown@enterinfosys.com)
Date: Wed Mar 27 2002 - 18:28:55 CST
We did 20 last year. To answer your questions:
1. There is also a change from Turkey Creek to Visto Grande on day 8. This
reduces the mileage significantly from last year.
2. The mileage last year was seriously understated. Actual miles were
closer to 68. We estimated we did around 85 counting our side hikes. With
the change in camps, the mileage may be more accurate for 2002.
3. This may include the Baldy/Mirada side hike miles which are not included
in the 63 miles.
4. Can't help you with this one.
Overall 20 is a great trek. Valle, Baldy, and hike in over the Tooth. A
few suggestions/ideas:
Get into shape. You will enjoy it more.
Do not miss chore time and the evening program at Rich Cabins. I never
though I would see our scouts shoveling and hauling manure and laughing at
the same time.
Hike well into Greenwood Canyon to set up your camp. The further you go,
the easier you will have it the next day going into Copper Park leaving
plenty of time to go to French Henry for that program. Don't be fooled by
the low mileage from Greenwood Canyon to Copper Park. It is serious uphill
for several miles followed by a controlled fall from tree to tree into
Copper Park.
On your side hike day, you will do about 12 miles if you go up Baldy,
through Baldy Town, to Miranda for the program, and then back to Copper Park
(via Baldy Town). The first part of the hike from Baldy Town to Copper Park
is a killer after all the other hiking that day. That is the only place our
crew used the caterpillar during our trek (thanks to those on this list that
described it, it gave our crew a pick up when it was really needed). If
your crew is tired after going over Baldy, you may want to consider skipping
the program at Miranda. We laugh (now) about hiking an extra 6 miles to
throw a hatchet in the rain. Also, when we passed through Baldy Town the
first time we took showers and washed clothes. Everyone in our crew said
they thought they would skip the showers/wash if they had to do it over
again. After going to Miranda and back to Copper Park, you could not tell
you had a shower.
Do not miss the evening program at Hunting Lodge. One of the highlights of
the trek.
Have your dinner for lunch at Clark's Fork before hiking to Tooth Ridge, a
dry camp. May be different this year, but the spring at Schaffer's Pass was
running real slow when we were there. Several crews were backed up getting
water. We packed all our water from Clark's Fork which turned out to be a
good decision.
You can get into CHQ early which allows plenty of time for going into town
for real food and touring the Villa Philmonte.
Phil Brown
Questions for listserve:
1. Does anybody know why #20 was changed from Rugged to
Strenuous this year. It has been rated as Rugged for 2001 & 2000.
The only change that I can see is that on Day #7 we are going to
Baldy Skyline camp instead of Head of Dean.
2. The milage has changed from 61 miles in 2001 & 2000 to 63
miles this year.
3. In the peaks book the elevation chart appears to be the wrong for
this hike since it shows 75 miles. Everywhere else is shows the 63
miles
4. Is the Baldy Skyline Camp near the Blackhawk trail that the OA
trail crew built last year? My son was on the OA Trail crew and it
would be a great treat to know that we were hiking on a trail that he
helped to build.
5. Any information on #20 would be appreciated.
Yours in Scouting....
Mike Floyd
ASM, Troop 149
Northeast Georgia Council
Lead Advisor-Philmont 98,00,02
G.A.T.C. Thru Hiker 98 & 00
Visit our Troop web site at http://www.oconeeTroop149.org/
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