RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1304

RE the comments below, in reverse order:

Fred,

I'm willing to wager that the HOD staff would work you in to the
Challenge Events even if it was not on the itinerary. They were a
great, flexible staff in 2004. We did 4 challenge events in about 2
hours.

Side Note: I know you paid a lot to go to Philmont and want to do
everything you "paid for" but stuff happens. I saw advisors really
getting on staffers who were forced to scrub programs due to weather, or
who couldn't work in a crew not scheduled for the activity. Our
experience at Harlan when rain/lightning cancelled shotgun shooting was
to very nicely let the staffer know how disappointed the guys were and
if there was any possibility of re-opening, we'd sure be grateful. That
staffer came running up to our site, running mind you, to tell our CL
that he was opening the range and wanted us to be first to know to get
down there. Lesson Learned: be cool, be polite, and maybe the staff
will be motivated to work with you. OTOH, it was unsafe to do the burro
races due to the wet conditions so no pleading in the world would change
that. Smart thing from a burro safety and boy safety view.

Bob,
Stunned, surprised, whatever...All I know is what our maps showed that
day. I do not have the sectional at home, since our navi-guesser kept
it as a souvenir. Believe me, the disparity between the maps got
considerable attention and discussion as we stood, toes clinging to the
side of the draw, and discussed what to do. I hoped that I was correct
and that the trail would be there and it was. A lot of people would
have been reminding me of my error if it had not been. If you go to the
Terra-server website, it shows the stream in the draw on all the maps,
but only one or two show the words "spring". IIRC, my overview map did
NOT show the "spring", but showed the little creek starting in the same
grid coordinate as the sectional that said "Spring". My overview showed
the trail coming from the north and cutting through the coordinate where
the "spring" was and hitting the southern trail right as it does the
dogleg to come up the southeast side of Baldy. I'll check my overview
map when I get home tonight.

Apparently, a lot of differences up in the fire territory are caused by
the fire fighters turning trails into 4WD roads to get heavy equipment
up there. That was true at the 5-trail junction on Baldy Skyline, I
recall specifically as well as all through that area. We used
relatively new, un-marked side trails that are 50m to 100 meters off
from what is marked just to stay under the shade of trees for parts of
the trip down into Ute Meadows rather than walk in what WAS the trail
that had been bulldozed into a highway-width gash.

We also had a discrepancy at a trail juncture on the route from Baldy
Skyline east toward HOD. Sectional showed one thing, larger scale did
not. In that case, the sectional was correct and the trail as marked
aligned with the terrain where we were. After our bushwhack, we got
more deliberate about making any trail juncture decisions!

Dave Parmly
Knoxville, TN

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I must admit, I am quite surprised (stunned, really) that a trail that
was on the full map was not on the corresponding sectional. I'm
thinking that had to be a mistake, not an omission by design. Anyone
else ever run into this on other parts of the Ranch?

- Dr. Bob

How easy is it to pick up programs along the way. for example. if we are
passing through Head of Dean. can we do the Challenge events. or does
this
have to be on our itinerary to do?

 
Fred
 

Thanks

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Received on Wed Mar 23 19:56:19 2005