RE: [Philmont]: Itinerary change requests

You definitely should not "do what you want". If for some reason the staff
needs to find you, they will look at your assigned camp. Previous posts
indicated that one crew failed to get their arrowhead when they were in the
wrong camp during a fire evacuation.

In 2001 I requested a change in logistics from Turkey Creek Camp to Visto
Grande on trek 20. I was trying to reduce mileage on a very long day,
Turkey Creek to Hunting Lodge, about 15 miles. The change would have added
about two mile to the previous day and reduced the 15 mile day down to about
11. I was told in no uncertain terms "No changes". It was a tough day, one
that no one on that trek will forget. In 2002, trek 20 was changed - Visto
Grande was substituted for Turkey Creek. I guess my idea was just a little
ahead of its time.

Phil Brown

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Troop 6 Scoutmaster
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:58 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Itinerary change requests

Then there are the crews that simply camp where they want.

In '04 we requested a move from Webster Parks to Aspen Springs (both
unstaffed) while in logisitics on day 1. We desired this because we would
be coming down the north fork from Cyphers to the hunting lodge and up to
cito for program, Websters is a bit out of the way and the leg from websters
to tooth ridge the next day is the longest on Trek 4, add to that the
required side jaunt to Ute Gulch for food and it simply made sense to us.
Finally it facilitated our desired route through Hidden Valley to Schaffer's
& Tooth Ridge. The request was declined, as no changes are the policy.

We had four other crews on the same trek as us, 4, and saw them every night
... except at Websters .. there it was only us, and our sister crew (both
from our Troop) that stuck to the itinerary. We bumped into one of the
others at Cito the next morning and they indicated that they had decided to
camp there instead, and indicated that they had obtained permssion from the
Camp Staff. Who knows what really happened, or where the other crews
camped. The point being, it never hurts to ask while on the trail, it can't
get worse than no. Once you are on the trail, you can, I suppose, do what
you want ... we honored the ruling we got in logistics as every good scout
should, others perhaps won't ask or simply just do it their way. In any
event, the ranch is explicit about reminding you and your crew leader to
only camp where your itinerary indicates you should ... so ignorance isn't
the answer.

In the end we gutted it out, went from websters to cito to aspen springs and
down through hidden valley. True, it made a long day longer, but, even
with the crummy weather we had Hidden Valley and Window rock were high
points .... I think we all would do it this way again.

http://www.usscouts.org/images/philmont/cito.jpg for a map

Jim

'74 '04 '06

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of T496ApacheA@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:51 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Itinerary change requests

To the List:

Back in '98 when our Council sent 4 crews to Philmont, Itinerary changes
were allowed.

We had been designated to camp at Bear Caves, but when we pulled into Crater
Lake one of our experienced Advisors asked the camp staff to check with
Logistics. He asked if we could stay instead at Crater Lake that night, and
then switch to staying at Shaeffers's Pass trail camp the next night.
Logistics OK'd the switch and we were able to hike the entire Tooth Ridge.
It was a nice ending to our trek - made even better because we were allowed
to change a couple of camps.

What is the current Phil-policy these days about itinerary change requests
while on the Trail ? I know that crews, understandably, could not switch
during the Fire year in 2002.

Has the policy eased up any ??

Bob

C601

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Received on Sat Mar 26 16:01:34 2005