The Phil-list Mar_2005: Re: [Philmont]: Photo IDs for scouts

From: Garrett, Russ <Russ.Garrett@bullivant.com>
Date: Wed Mar 30 2005 - 08:57:36 CST

We had scouts on the crew carry school ID if they were too young to get DL.

Russ Garrett
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vannerson, William G. <WVannerson@foley.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Wed Mar 30 05:54:11 2005
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Photo IDs for scouts

I required our crew to carry IDs last year as we needed it for the
student discount on the commuter train. But I'd require it for such a
long journey even if we drove in case of separation or in case of an
accident were the victim is unconscious.

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
>>[mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Bob Klein
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:39 AM
>>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Photo IDs for scouts
>>
>>
>>I think it is important for everyone to realize that the restrictions
>>and requirements are trending upwards virtually everywhere around the
>>country. What worked 5 years ago (pre-9/11), or 3 years ago
>>(post-9/11)
>>or even last year, may not work now. For example, they
>>announced just
>>yesterday that travel in and out of Canada is now going to
>>require a lot
>>more in the way of ID.
>>
>>As I mentioned in my post last night, there isn't a lot of
>>consistency
>>in what you face. Some airports, some military bases, some
>>activities,
>>require ID for everyone (including minors), others don't. To make it
>>even more capricious, sometimes the *same* airport, military base, or
>>activity, will require ID, then not require it when the next
>>shift arrives.
>>
>>Minors in large groups tend to be handled a little more
>>reasonably, if
>>for no other reason some time efficiency. Again, as I posted last
>>night, having a group of Scouts all in impeccable uniform,
>>all obviously
>>under the wings of several uniformed adults, can help speed
>>the process.
>> But I have been a couple of times where it didn't; who knows why?
>>
>>Photo ID requirements for minors for domestic travel tend to
>>be pretty
>>tame - a formal school ID, or a DMV "equivalent" license, seem to be
>>fine. They just want something that shows your happy,
>>smiling face and
>>matches the name on the ticket or roster. However, for this reason,
>>it's important to use formal names and ***not nicknames*** -
>>if the name
>>doesn't match, that can cause problems. Though again, if the
>>security
>>people are looking at an obvious 14 or 15 year old in a full Scout
>>uniform, who's part of a group, the problems tend to fade.
>>
>>On international travel, even just to Canada or the
>>Carribean, I would
>>now insist on passports for everyone. The huge jump in passport
>>application fees may cause some push-back from your Scout families on
>>this, but the costs are minimal compared to the delays and hassles if
>>you're stuck with unaccompanied minors in a foreign country,
>>and their
>>officials decide to make an example of you (that is, simply
>>follow the
>>letter of the law). BTW, the U.S. passport fee is now (I believe)
>>$75.00 ***You also need to be very careful of visa requirements.***
>>
>>Finally, whenever we (Troop 111) has travelled overseas, we had a
>>notarized form for each minor that explicitly detailed out parental
>>consent to travel with we the adult leaders. Such forms are
>>available
>>on-line. This is important due to child smuggling,
>>adoption-for-money
>>rings, slavery sales, child sex sales, and similar crimes
>>that Customs
>>and Border Patrol are increasingly concerned with (and yes,
>>such crimes
>>are increasingly common, and a real serious problem in some
>>areas of the
>>world). In my experience, we were warned that minors who were not
>>obviously American (combination of race, clothing, speech,
>>etc.) would
>>get some "extra" scrutiny. Ah Brave New World! Fortunately such
>>concerns are minimal for domestic travel.
>>
>>Bottom line is, take the time to get photo ID for everyone, and
>>potentially save yourself a lot of hassle "down the trail".
>>
>>- Dr. Bob
>>
>>
>>Joe Tavares wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Depending on their ages and the airline, the scouts could also be
>>> classified as unaccompanied minors, which would require a
>>great deal
>>> of coordination with parents and advisors to even get on
>>the plane.
>>> Having a photo ID is a great idea, wish I'd thought of it, but not
>>> sure if you could even get a 14 year old on the plane without a
>>> parent's consent.
>>>
>>> Joe T.
>>>
>>> Troop 728
>>> Richardson, TX
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
>>[mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Bob SCHAETTLE
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:08 PM
>>> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>>> Subject: [Philmont]: Photo IDs for scouts
>>>
>>> Our crew will be traveling by automobile and train, and so
>>I had not
>>> planned to require the scouts to carry a photo ID. It
>>occurred to me,
>>> however, that if a scout were required to end his trek
>>early and fly
>>> home, the TSA rules would require him to present a photo ID before
>>> boarding a commerical aircraft. Has anyone encountered this
>>> situation? What are your thoughts? Many thanks, Bob Schaettle
>>> Rochester, Minnesota
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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