RE: [Philmont]: Please don't feed the bears

Penalties for individual bear feeding episodes make sense. This would
result in the bears learning that humans = food. Bad news.

My question was related to whether there is any need to intervene, under the
control of the authorities, in a failed ecosystem. Apparently there is not.

Joe Jansen
JAJansenJr@gmail.com
Philmont 1965; 1978

>From: "Joe Tavares" <j.tavares@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Please don't feed the bears
>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 02:24:54 -0600
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>Well, there is that too! Bear Ranger at Philmont told our Wood Badge group
>that jail time goes with it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
>Behalf Of James H. Moss
>Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:11 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Please don't feed the bears
>
>Jail time. Minimum fine for feeding wildlife on USFS or NPS land is $1000
>and goes up. NM state land I don't know.
>
>Dumb idea!
>
>Jim Moss
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
>Behalf Of Joseph Jansen
>Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:37 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Please don't feed the bears
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>I am familiar with the point of view that people should stay out of natural
>ecosystems. There is considerable merit to it. A lot depends on just how
>level the playing field is. If the ecosystem is collapsing because of
>severe drought then some intervention may be called for. In general it
>should be possible to prepare something "bearable" for a bear to eat
>without
>giving it a human smell or the smell could be masked with something
>odiferous the bears consider OK.
>
>The theories of survival in the wild make sense when the ecosystem is
>basically sound. If it is extremely dry this may not be the case.
>
>I am just suggesting that some thought be given to this issue. Probably,
>knowing Philmont, a review is taking place and likely has been over many
>years. I hope the other species of wildlife are part of that review as
>well.
>
>From time to time at Philmont when a bear has become a major problem the
>bear has been hunted and killed.
>
>The question in my mind, which led to my post, is whether the dryness is
>severe enough that the ecosystem has been crippled. Not likely but I
>thought I'd raise the question.
>
>One thing about natural selection is that it operates over considerable
>periods of time, and it is unlikely that this mechanism should figure in
>wildlife management in general. What should be considered is survival of
>diverse species and human management of the survival of diverse species has
>been an accepted principle for quite some time.
>
>Just my .02.
>
>Joe Jansen
>JAJansenJr@gmail.com
>Philmont 1965; Philmont 1978
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> >From: WHDickens@aol.com
> >Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Please don't feed the bears
> >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:38:24 EST
> >
> >The way to provide bears, and any other species, with the sustenance
> >needed to carry them through lean times is simple. Provide diverse
> >ecosystems that allow their species, and those others with which they
> >interact, the level playing field called "wilderness". It is not a
> >good thing to provide food for bears, or any other species because of
> >what we consider to be hard times.
> >The
> >ability of species to go through the feast and famine cycles of nature
> >is what assures their natural selection process carries only the best
> >selected individuals to procreate future generations. It is a fools'
> >folly for humans to attempt to intervene, except in the dire
> >circumstance of species extinction.
> >
> >Understand the ecosystem constraints that bears, and other species,
>face.
> >It is then that we can examine the habitat improvements needed to
> >insure their long term survival. That is ultimately what conservation
> >is about.
> >
> > Wade Dickens
> >
> >P.S. Thanks to Dr. Mark Brinson, my graduate instructor in Ecology at
> >East Carolina University, circa 1978, and the many others who have
> >taught me about the wonders of nature.
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