Entering in the "For What It's Worth" Category:
Our crew experience was to disperse packs with pack covers on at all
times except when being dug through. Our Priority of Work in camp was
tents, fly, bear bags usually because of the daily rain-coming
in-just-as-we-were-getting-to-camp pattern. Our first step was a
packline with packcovers on which forms a pretty weatherproof layer. As
the packline was formed, tents were pulled out to prevent going back and
rooting. We were usually racing the rumble of thunder and incoming rain
so we had an impetus for speed and efficiency! Frankly, we didn't go to
our packs very often once those 3 things were set. Stoves were in the
fire ring, food was up in the BBs. Any short term expected needs was
pretty much in their day packs and they were off at the program. The
only thing left in the packs most of the time was clean spare clothing
in zip locks. That kept the fly free for use as a gathering place, but
we didn't even do that very often. Our guys tended to sit out even in
the rain. Go figure!
We also found the short branch stubs projecting from trees made handy
hang points for a pack if someone needed to get a pack off the ground.
Some might indicate that is a no-no to touch a tree, but our ranger
indicated that was good to go and a pack a foot off the ground, vertical
with a pack cover on will keep the contents about as snug and dry as
anywhere.
Dave Parmly
Knoxville, TN
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Today's topics:
'RE: [Philmont]: Packs'
'Re: [Philmont]: tarp rope'
'RE: [Philmont]: tarp rope'
'RE: [Philmont]: tarp rope'
'RE: [Philmont]: tarp rope'
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:03:00 +0000
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Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Packs
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Jim Moss writes...
Using a dining fly sort of eliminates the problems pack covers create.
Pack covers work perfectly when you are hiking or the pack is sitting
unopened on the ground. If you are digging into your pack to get your
tent out, everything in the pack is going to get wet.
Thus the dining fly.
Comment...
I'd go a slightly different direction than Jim here - it seems to me
that having the pack leaning against trees in the Bearmuda Triangle with
pack covers on allows each member of the crew easy access to their packs
and protects them from the rain. If you need to dig through your pack
when it is raining, THEN move it under the dining fly to protect the
contents from getting wet if necessary. And with everything in ziplock
bags, limited rooting through the pack in a light or even moderate rain
usually is not a problem with the contents getting wet.
Echoing others - always setup the tarp and use it to store the crew
gear.
--- Al Thomson, Troop 236, Schooley's Mountain, NJ Treks 1999, 2001, 2003 Autumn Adventures 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19632_1142258580_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html><body> <DIV>Jim Moss writes...</DIV> <DIV><BR>Using a dining fly sort of eliminates the problems pack covers create. Pack covers work perfectly when you are hiking or the pack is sitting unopened on the ground. If you are digging into your pack to get your tent out, everything in the pack is going to get wet. <BR><BR>Thus the dining fly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Comment...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd go a slightly different direction than Jim here - it seems to me that having the pack leaning against trees in the Bearmuda Triangle with pack covers on allows each member of the crew easy access to their packs and protects them from the rain. If you need to dig through your pack when it is raining, THEN move it under the dining fly to protect the contents from getting wet if necessary. And with everything in ziplock bags, limited rooting through the pack in a light or even moderate rain usually is not a problem with the contents getting wet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Echoing others - always setup the tarp and use it to store the crew gear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>---<BR>Al Thomson, Troop 236, <BR>Schooley's Mountain, NJ <BR>Treks 1999, 2001, 2003 <BR>Autumn Adventures 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006</DIV></body></html> --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19632_1142258580_0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:14:49 -0500 From: Neil Aring <aringn@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: tarp rope We always rig our tarp with a ridge rope that runs from pole to pole under the tarp. Ground to pole to other pole back to ground with the tarp tied off just behind the poles. This way you can easily get the sag out of the ridge with little or no tension on the tarp itself. >--------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:37:17 -0500 From: Joe Simonis <js1864@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: tarp rope What I find interesting is how our different Rangers in our sister crews gave us different direction in several Philmont protocols. Our Ranger recommended we place our packs against a tree, with covers on, scattered outside the tent area. He said we could use the tarp if we wanted, but most nights were dry. When it was raining, water would sometimes run under the tarp despite our best efforts at locating a suitable spot. I didn't like the idea of my pack laying on the ground under the tarp not knowing if it might be in a small river when I wake up. I never really used the tarp, but some of the boys liked to eat out of the rain, which can be nice during monsoon season. They had no problem sitting under it, and we used trekking poles for support. Here is a picture to show this in action (Kelty Noah): http://troop6bsa.org/2004-2005/Philmont/Simonis/fv64.htm Joe Simonis ASM T6 '04 <snip> -----Original Message----- From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Troop 6 Webmaster Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM Our Ranger instructed us to use the tarp as the place gear was stored overnight in camp, the crew spent little time under the tarp. Our sister crew dispersed their packs (with covers) and had use of the tarp, I'll let Joe comment if he chooses. Jim HA ASM T6 PSR '74, '04, '06 www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:07:12 -0600 From: "Eric & Kelli Brug" <brugfam3@alltel.net> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: tarp rope Joe, I really enjoyed the pictures your link took me to. Can you tell me which trek you all went on? I am taking my Troop for the first time in 5 years! We are all very excited. Eric Brug Troop 616 Sugar Land Texas -----Original Message----- From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Joe Simonis Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list philmont Subject: RE: [Philmont]: tarp rope What I find interesting is how our different Rangers in our sister crews gave us different direction in several Philmont protocols. Our Ranger recommended we place our packs against a tree, with covers on, scattered outside the tent area. He said we could use the tarp if we wanted, but most nights were dry. When it was raining, water would sometimes run under the tarp despite our best efforts at locating a suitable spot. I didn't like the idea of my pack laying on the ground under the tarp not knowing if it might be in a small river when I wake up. I never really used the tarp, but some of the boys liked to eat out of the rain, which can be nice during monsoon season. They had no problem sitting under it, and we used trekking poles for support. Here is a picture to show this in action (Kelty Noah): http://troop6bsa.org/2004-2005/Philmont/Simonis/fv64.htm Joe Simonis ASM T6 '04 <snip> -----Original Message----- From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Troop 6 Webmaster Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM Our Ranger instructed us to use the tarp as the place gear was stored overnight in camp, the crew spent little time under the tarp. Our sister crew dispersed their packs (with covers) and had use of the tarp, I'll let Joe comment if he chooses. Jim HA ASM T6 PSR '74, '04, '06 www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont ------------------------------------------------------- Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe at http://usscouts.org/lists/ Listserv Commands at http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp ------------------------------------------------------- Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com List FAQ found at: http://usscouts.org/lists/faq.asp List Administrator: philmont_owner@troop47.com ------------------------------------------------------- As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. ------------------------------------------------------- -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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When are you all going?</div> <div> </div> <div>Russell Ballard</div> <div>Scoutmaster</div> <div>Troop 1987</div> --0-394638186-1142311243=:66514-- ------------------------------ End of philmont Digest V01 #1703 ******************************** ------------------------------------------------------- Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe at http://usscouts.org/lists/ Listserv Commands at http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp ------------------------------------------------------- Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com List FAQ found at: http://usscouts.org/lists/faq.asp List Administrator: philmont_owner@troop47.com ------------------------------------------------------- As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. -------------------------------------------------------Received on Tue Mar 14 09:09:16 2006
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