[Philmont]: Not Philmont - Uniforming was Kilts

This one has many angles, and even more opinions I'm sure.

>From my perspective, there is the Uniform that National Sanctions and
defines, and the Uniforms we make up as units.

Class A, is the Uniform per the Uniform inspection sheets, the Uniforming
Guide and the BSA catalog. Deviations from this are, in fact, un-sanctioned
alterations.

I believe BSA specifies an 'activity uniform' but I don't think I've ever
seen it outside of the catalog.

When we are out of uniform at a scout activity ... look around at the next
Camporee or unit campout you are on ... is the interesting part. Combine
that with the commoditiation of 'camo', you can find more of it in Target
than at you local reserve center and the issue becomes muddy.

That said, we've got units in our council that have made up their own
uniforms. In one case wool shirt & pants, leggings, white utility belts,
look like they just stepped off a Liberty Ship. What to do. The *ONLY*
option a local council has is the "nuclear option" that is to decertify the
unit and pull its charter. To what end? Once you do that, the guy with
three Quality Unit patches or the guy that is a leader but insists on
wearing his Eagle patch is "out of uniform" as well. Better to judge by
what they do, then what they wear, although Uniform mods do irk me just a
bit.

When a Philmont Crew heads out on the trail in 2006 they won't be in
uniform, either will their Ranger. Instead they will wear what they are
comfortable hiking in ... techwick shirts, hiking shorts, nylon zip pants
and maybe even pith helmets and kilts.

If they practice LNT, display courtesy on the trail, and follow the back
country protocol I'm good.

Jim
HA ASM T6
PSR '74, '04, '06
www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont

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Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Not Kilts

To clarify (and this took a while for me to find):

"BSA Rules and Regulations, Article X, Section 4, Clause 4. Prohibition of
Alteration or Imitation:

a). No alteration of, or additions to, the official uniforms, as described
in the official publications, or the rules and regulations covering the
wearing of the uniform and the proper combinations thereof on official
occasions, may be authorized by any Scouting official or local Council or
any local executive board or committee, except the National Executive Board
after consideration by the Program Group Committee.

b) Imitation of United States Army, Navy, Marine Corps or Air Force uniforms
is prohibited, in accordance with the provisions of Act of Congress,
approved June 3, 1916."

I do want to note that in researching for the response to a private query
regarding this rule, I discovered that, to the best that I can determine,
the Boy Scouts of America has not electronically posted the BSA Rules and
Regulations, in whole or in part, at least not that Google can find. I was
left with identifying this article because of the numerous references and
referrals to it by both individual Scouters and by councils. I am fairly
"Ivory Soap certain" that this is the accurate representation of the clause,
but if it's not, then I suggest someone identify and post the exact language
they have discovered.

My interpretation of a) is that the pubs we use on a daily basis to uniform
our troops are to be used as the official uniform and straying from that
uniforming code would make you non-uniform. Essentially, as long as we stay
on the straight and narrow of the guidelines, we are cool, otherwise we
aren't. I suspect it means that we probably don't have any more latitude to
wear clown costumes that we do camo.

What this has to do with pith helmets or kilts, I have no idea. I am,
again, simply responding to a request from one of the list subscribers to
identify the source for my comment about (para)military clothing.

Joe Tavares

--- Joe Tavares <j.tavares@comcast.net> wrote:

> No paramilitary or military gear (remember the camo
> rule) is to be worn in
> sanctioned scouting activities. Not sure if pith helmets would
> qualify.
> Also, what advantages/disadvantages are there wearing them. Seems to
> me they are heat collectors and have no way to dissipate moisture.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of David Palmer
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:55 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Not Kilts
>
> Good evening.
>
> I have a Scout who wants to wear a pith helmet at Philmont. Actually,
> he wants the whole crew to wear pith helmets at Philmont, but Mr.
> Palmer will wear his Tilley hat, thank you.
>
> Can the group think of any pros and cons of this headgear, the pith
> helmet?
>
> Hey, this question is no more unusual than the discussion of kilts.
>
> Thanks.
> David K. Palmer
> Scoutmaster - Olympia (Wash.) Troop 266 Every Scout Absolutely Matters
> www.olympiatroop266.com
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