RE: [Philmont]: Burros

First, thanks for the feedback on the program book.

I won't argue that there are crews that want the burros and can't get them.
It just seems that in general, the treks with burros are also the ones that
go over Baldy and the tooth. If that wasn't the case, then maybe more crews
would get burros who wanted them.

As for our last crew, they were all multi-seasoned backpackers and wanted
the opportunity to backpack over and not side hike over Wilson Mesa. This
was based on info from numerous sources and a voted decision. It ended up
being one of the highlights of the trip. The ranger finished up our ranger
training at an off the trail location in the wild flower covered burn area
with some of the best South Westerly views of the entire trip. If we had
done a side hike to the pond, we would have missed 2/3 of Wilson Mesa and
there wasn't enough time to do both. Again, Burro packing should be
optional like all of the other activities.

John Geyster

Troop 15

Shelburne Falls, MA

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of mike moynihan
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Burros

If the treks book says that you pick up Burros at either Ponil or Miranda,
you have to pick them up. It will say in the program area of your Crew
Leaders Copy. This started this past summer.

The reasoning behind making crews take burros is that many crews were
wanting to take them but were not able to get those treks. And, crews that
were on those treks were not taking them.

Most other programs that Philmont offers can either be done at more then one
camp, are not unique to Philmont, or a side hike/change in hiking route can
allow a crew to do it. Burros only go from Ponil to Miranda. Philmont
knows that not everyone will be happy with this rule, but it will allow the
crews that want this unique opportunity to be able to.

Many people don't like Burros because you hike slower and miss a side hike
over Wilson Mesa. First of all you shouldn't be in a hurry at Philmont. It
is a vacation. With Wilson Mesa, it is a short side hike from Pueblano to
the lake at the top and back down.

Mike Moynihan

Ranger 01-02

Clarks Fork 03

Clear Creek 04

Beaubien CD 05

Pueblano CD 06

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From: John Geyster <mailto:johngeyster@comcast.net>

To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <mailto:philmont@troop47.com>

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:23 PM

Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Burros

Does it clearly state which treks require the burros?

It wasn't all that clear in some of the previous books.

Its amazing that almost everything else is optional except for ranger
training and service project.

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of cletus robinson
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:50 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Burros

In the past, if you selected a trek with burros, it was optional- that is,
you could choose to use them or not. Going over the Treks 2006 book, it
looks like it is not any longer.

Uncle Cletus

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Received on Sun Mar 26 19:42:03 2006