Re: [Philmont] - Permethrin

As I said below, the retail packaging is not shippable to California. And
the spray is less effective than a soak in 13.3% solution.

Search the internet for Permethrin, and you'll come up with US Gov't test
data and that they've been soaking battle dress uniforms in it for quite
some time.

The selling point for me was the Gov't result that said "garments soaked in
Permethrin in combination with 99% DEET on exposed skin were found to be
nearly 100% effective in keeping ticks, chiggers, mosquitos, etc. at least 1
foot away"...

Yeah, that'd do it..

<> Happy Trails, Dave <>
Crew Advisor - Venturing Crew 131 - Pasadena, CA
Philmont 726-J P2K

"Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:01:33 -0500
From: "Signe Rogers" <HikinGrammy@iGlide.net>
Subject: Re: [Philmont] - Permethrin

I don't know if it is available in CA - but WalMart carries a spray in the
camping section that you treat your clothing with ahead of time. Let it
completely dry for 24 hours before wearing, and the stuff lasts for a couple
of weeks even after washing. Good in our neck of the woods to help avoid
ticks which are prevalent here.

Signe Rogers"

<> Happy Trails <>

Dave

Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:18:39 -0700
From: Dave Mayer <dave.mayer@southwest-consulting.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - Permethrin

I'm sure it would not, and I don't consider it such. It has a faint odor
after drying, and none a day or so later - certainly none after washing.

It is, however, difficult to get. The retail packaging (from a place like
travmed.com) is not shippable to California (any longer). You CAN get the
industrial packaging shipped to California from a place like bugpage.com.

For clothing, you want the 13.3% concentrate. 4 parts water to 1 part
Permethrin. Use rubber gloves - soak completely and let dry on the line.

I recently did all my clothes for a week-long trip to Costa Rica - the
little suckers bit everyone else but us...

<> Happy Trails, Dave <>
Crew Advisor - Venturing Crew 131 - Pasadena, CA
Philmont 726-J P2K

Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:17:46 -0500
From: Robert Haig <rhaig@hackboy.com>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Just two Things...maybe three

On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 07:57:30PM -0500, R Fisher wrote:
> There could be some truth to this based on the evidence - even if
> circumstantial. I don't recall being bothered by mosquitos at Philmont,
> although flies were noticable at several camps (and repellent doesn't
> work on flies)

Permethrin, however, does work on flies. It's designed to be applied to
clothing though, not your skin. so it's usefulness in the heat of the day
(when flies can be really bad) is minimal since you'll probably be wearing
short sleeves.

I'll re-ask my earlier question about permethrin though. Does anyone know
if a permethrin treated piece of clothing would be considered a smellable?

For those of you not familiar with permethrin, one heavy treatment on a
garment can last up to 6 weeks (including washings). So it's weight
is really nothing.

I'd guess it's not a smellable since it doesn't work as a repellant,
but as an insecticide, killing mosquitos and flies instead of repelling
them. But I'd still like to hear from someone "in the know".

-- 
Rob
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