Re: [Philmont]: Stoves

Been backpacking for the last three summers...never took the pump off the
fuel bottle except to refill, and never had a problem. IMHO, removing the
pump all the time will just stress the pump, possibly strip the threads, or
(most likely) contaminate the fuel.
--Bob Schaettle
Rochester MN

>From: "James H. Moss" <BSARecLaw@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Stoves
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:13:37 -0600
>
>I always keep the pump in the bottle. I never take the lid. Guided on
>Orizaba, Aconcagua and dozens of other places that way. Saves a little
>under
>2 ozs. No problems. Saves spilling. Saves gas being spilled on the ground
>accidentally, saves gas on hands. Never had a problem. I know Mountain
>Madness and most other mountaineering guide services work that way also.
>
>Jim
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Troop 681 scout" <troop681@hotmail.com>
>To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:30 AM
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Stoves
>
>
> > I just have a question that came up last year on my PHILMONT trek. We
>had
>3
> > whisperlite stove in my crew. (2 to use and 1 for back up).
> >
> > One of the advisors carried one of the stoves and ALWAYS left the stove
> > attachment ON the fuel bottle. He said, "why take it off when it will
>just
> > be put back on that night." He hiked the full ten days with the stove
> > attachment ON the bottle.
> >
> > I had always taken the stove attachement off in my years of backpacking
>and
> > trained the boys in my troop to also always take off the stove
>attachment
> > and replace the fuel bottle cap, (I also had the boys ALWAYS put the
>fuel
> > bottle cap IN the stove bag for safe keeping)
> >
> > What does this group think?? Is it safe to HIKE with the stove
>attachment
> > ON the bottle the entire time?? Is is safe to have that preassure ON
>the
> > fuel bottle all the time??
> >
> > I know this may open a "can of opinion" but I'm just curious what you
>think.
> >
> >
> >
> > www.troop681.org
> >
> > Kim Pigorsch
> > Membership Chairmun (sic)
> > and Eagle Scout Advisor
> > Troop 681
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Karl Hebert" <eagle355@bellsouth.net>
> > >Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Stoves
> > >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:38:28 -0400
> > >
> > >Based on our experience on a 2002 trek (704-E2), my advice is to take
> > >the three stoves. We too had three Whisperlight stoves on that trek,
> > >one fouled on day one, a second fouled on day eight. Although our crew
> > >had a lot of experience with these stoves prior to Philmont and they
> > >were all in good working condition before we departed, I attribute both
> > >failures to the crew's rather careless handling and storage during the
> > >trek. Not putting the stoves back in their bag, letting the feed tube
> > >drag in the dirt, etc. Dust and dirt were the real problems to deal
> > >with. Being the good advisor I simply offered up my suggestions and
>let
> > >the crew deal with the failure. We all survived and were well fed, no
> > >harm done.
> > >
> > >Karl Hebert
> > >Troop 39
> > >Cumming, GA
> > >2004 608-A1 Trek 26
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> > >Behalf Of Michael_J_Conkey@fws.gov
> > >Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:42 AM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > >Subject: [Philmont]: Stoves
> > >
> > >
> > >On our 2002 trek, we brought 3 Whisperlight stoves, 3 smaller fuel
> > >bottles
> > >and 2 large fuel bottles (for 12 people). We NEVER used the third
> > >stove,
> > >never even took it out of the bag. We RARELY used the second stove (we
> > >used the boiling bag method and cooked all meals together in one large
> > >pot). We also had way too much fuel, considering that we could refill
> > >at
> > >our 2 commissary stops. We also had no real stove problems, other than
> > >a
> > >slightly clogged jet on the last day which I cleaned easily.
> > >
> > >My question to the list, we are discussing leaving the third stove and
>1
> > >each of the fuel bottles at home this year to save some crew gear
>weight
> > >(going with 2 stoves and 3 fuel bottles). We have a lighter weight
>crew
> > >this time around and are trying to shed weight where ever possible.
>The
> > >reasoning, we have never had a stove issue we couldn't fix via field
> > >maintenance and in a pinch, we could survive on 1 stove. In a real
> > >pinch,
> > >we would end up getting some staff help OR just hydrating the food
> > >without
> > >heating the water (still treated, of course). What is the list's
> > >thoughts
> > >on this approach? What are the realistic chances that BOTH stoves
>would
> > >poop out? We have backpacking and camped with them numerous times and
> > >NEVER had a real problem. My SVEA is almost 30 years old, has been
>used
> > >100's of times at a variety of altitudes and conditions, and I have
> > >NEVER
> > >encountered a problem I couldn't correct via field maintenance. I
>would
> > >anticipate the Whisperlights to be similar in their reliability?
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >YIS.
> > >
> > >Mike Conkey
> > >2004 Trek 716A, Itinerary 11
> > >2002 Trek 719A, Itinerary 4
> > >
> > >
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