The Phil-list May_2005: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest

From: Dave Parmly <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Date: Thu May 12 2005 - 05:09:45 CDT

Our crew used an alternative to Turkey Bag Cooking thta was very effective.

Simply put, use the bags the product comes in to re-hydrate the contents, use the pot to simply boil the water to accomplish this. Pot never gets dirty, generates no additional trash (which each turkey bag is), less water used because clean up is minimal.

Hack through my somewhat large Philmont journal located at our troop website at http://bsatroop506.org/pdf/PhilmontJournal2004.pdf for more details.

Also, it's in my "Philmont Observations / Top 10 lessons learned" that many of y'all asked for. PM me and I'll send that too.

It's a technique, not a principle.

Dave Parmly
Knoxville, TN

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philmont Digest Thu, 12 May 2005 00:01:56 -0500 V01 #1371

Today's topics:
     'Turkey bag cooking'
     'Re: [Philmont]: Turkey bag cooking'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Catapillaring'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Turkey bag cooking'

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Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:13:16 -0400
From: "Nancy Divine" <nadmaple@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Turkey bag cooking

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Our troop is going later this year and wanted to see if we should use =
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YIS

Nancy Divine

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Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:04:13 -0400
From: Doug Kemp <vetpharm@uga.edu>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Turkey bag cooking

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>Can you explain how your crew prepare the turkey bag cooking at Philmont?

See this page on our trop web site:
http://www.oconeetroop149.org/turkeybag.html

We used them extensively in 2000 and 2002 when I was in Mike Floyd's
crews and I like the method. We carried the turkey bags in 2004, but
used them less since there seemed to be less full pot meals to cook.

Using turkey roasting bags takes practice. You have to make sure that
you stir all the contents of the bag or you will have dry or undercooked
spots. And getting all the food out of the bags gracefully takes a
little practice. But there are no burned foods and cleanup is a snap.

YiS
Doug

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See this page on our trop web site:  <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.oconeetroop149.org/turkeybag.html">http://www.oconeetroop149.org/turkeybag.html</a><br>
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We used them extensively in 2000 and 2002  when I was in Mike Floyd's
crews and I like the method.  We carried the turkey bags in 2004, but
used them less since there seemed to be less full pot meals to cook. <br>
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Using turkey roasting bags takes practice.  You have to make sure that
you stir all the contents of the bag or you will have dry or
undercooked spots.   And getting all the food out of the bags
gracefully takes a little practice.  But there are no burned foods and
cleanup is a snap.<br>
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YiS<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:46:32 -0400
From: "John Geyster" <johngeyster@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Catapillaring

We've used the catapillar to some extent and it worked fine for pushing the
group up steep pitches. The other option that the crew likes better because
it allows everyone to go at their own pace to some extent, is to put a
responsible scout (some one who can tell time) in the lead. That person
stops at a set frequency to allow the group to close up. A decision is made
to break or not break based on how the last person is feeling. More often
than not, no break is needed. Besides, the group is usually stopping for
views and distances between camps isn't all that far in most cases. We did
Wilson Mesa with one standing stop on the way up, a long ranger break on the
Mesa in the burn area and a 5 minute stop by the ponds.

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey W. Knoll
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:32 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Catapillaring

Like most techniques, there are times when they are useful and times when
they are not. We only catapillar on very steep climbs or steep climbs at
high altitudes, where there is a real need/desire for hikers to stop and
catch their breath. Often when the entire crew stops together the break
drags on longer than necessary. Catapillaring avoids this. Going slow is
good; better than constant stopping and starting, but you can reach a point
where you are so slow it is better to rest than inch forward. Catapillaring
helps a lot in these situations.

-- Jeff

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Jeffrey W. Knoll
Grand Canyon Council
Phoenix, AZ
'02 627-H1 Trek 26
'04 610-D Trek 31

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Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:58:58 -0400
From: "John Geyster" <johngeyster@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Turkey bag cooking

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I was flip flopping on whether to use it or not, so I brought about 6 bags
last summer. We used them for the messy stuff like mashed potatoes and the
meals with gravy like stew. We had a four quart and an eight quart pot. We
would fill one pot and boil water. We would place the turkey bag in the
other pot and dump in the meal. No, we didn't dump everything in together.
We left that up to individual taste. Once the meal was in the bag, we would
add water according to direction and stir. Then we would close the bag and
let it soften up. The stuff came out hot, there was next to no clean up and
we still had extra hot water for personal gear washing and hot drinks. The
bags were pretty well cleaned out by the hungry and took up a lot less space
than the rest of the Philmont issued trash we had to haul. Also reduced the
water need significantly such that we had more than enough even at Dry Camps
for Dinner (4-5 litters of water per person). Suggest giving it a try on a
tune up trip.

Personally I wouldn't recommend the mix in the bag method with a large group
because the chances of someone knocking over a bag go's up exponentially
with the larger the group. I usually do that solo or with a friend, but
I've seen way to many accidents in 35 years and would prefer for no one to
go hungry. One exception, we did do individual bags of instant oatmeal.
That worked good, except make sure the water isn't still boiling with
someone holding the bag.

_____

From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Nancy Divine
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:13 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Turkey bag cooking

Can you explain how your crew prepare the turkey bag cooking at Philmont?

Our troop is going later this year and wanted to see if we should use this
method.

YIS

Nancy Divine

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I was flip flopping on whether to =
use it
or not, so I brought about 6 bags last summer.  We used them for =
the messy
stuff like mashed potatoes and the meals with gravy like stew.  We =
had a four
quart and an eight quart pot.  We would fill one pot and boil =
water.  We would
place the turkey bag in the other pot and dump in the meal.  No, we =
didn't
dump everything in together.  We left that up to individual =
taste.  Once the
meal was in the bag, we would add water according to direction and =
stir.  Then
we would close the bag and let it soften up.  The stuff came out =
hot, there was
next to no clean up and we still had extra hot water for personal gear =
washing
and hot drinks.  The bags were pretty well cleaned out by the =
hungry and took
up a lot less space than the rest of the Philmont issued trash we had to =
haul. 
Also reduced the water need significantly such that we had more than =
enough
even at Dry Camps for Dinner (4-5 litters of water per person).  =
Suggest giving
it a try on a tune up trip.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Personally I wouldn't =
recommend the
mix in the bag method with a large group because the chances of someone
knocking over a bag go's up exponentially with the larger the =
group.  I
usually do that solo or with a friend, but I've seen way to many
accidents in 35 years and would prefer for no one to go hungry.  =
One exception,
we did do individual bags of instant oatmeal.  That worked good, =
except make
sure the water isn't still boiling with someone holding the =
bag.</span></font></p>

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Behalf Of </span></b>Nancy Divine<br>
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2005 8:13
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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cooking
at Philmont?</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Our troop is going later this year and wanted to see =
if we
should use this method.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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