The Phil-list May_2005: Re: [Philmont] - philmont Digest

From: Garrett, Russ <Russ.Garrett@bullivant.com>
Date: Wed May 18 2005 - 09:42:16 CDT

We took our own 12 x 12 fly. Two people in our crew had walking sticks that
were 5 ft. Long. Those served as our poles for the fly. The trekking poles
were too low for anyone's taste. The extra height was everyone's
preference. We put two trekking poles (collapsed to about 3ft) on each side
just to lift the sides so that we could see out. Lots of rain and this
worked well. I would recommend the longer poles over the trekking poles if
you want the crew to be more comfortable, but having said that, I'd have
them try both on the shakedown hikes and let them make the decision. We did
the same thing with the use of the turkey bags.

Our crew used and selected both the longet poles and turkey bag methods.

We didn't give them an option on the size of the tarp, but we needed every
square inch of it nearly every day at Philmont last yeat in late July

Russ Garrett
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From: Dave Parmly <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Wed May 18 05:58:37 2005
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1378

Spot on advice RE Campmor lightweight tarp.

We were frustrated with the relative uselessness of the low-slung dining
fly and had rain everyday and used it a lot. When I go back in 08, I'm
bringing a pair of extendable poles that will allow me to get the center
line of the dining fly up off the ground without tying it between trees,
then use trek poles for the corners. I may be the only one who thinks
so, but I find the low-slung fly to be nigh-on worthless. I know it's
lower to the ground in the event of high winds, yada-yada, but when it's
pouring rain while you're trying to fix dinner, it's absurd to fit 12
people, 2 stoves, pots and food fixings, all underneath and expect
anything positive to come out of it. We adapted to the circumstances,
but I will refrain from discussing that lest I be accused of leading
people into bad habits. "Do what they tell you to do unless given
specific permission otherwise." is my official position.

Phil tents looked fine, but if you have your own and you like them,
bring them. Can't lose either way. 2 stoves are all you NEED, but
having a third as back-up seems prudent. Agree that filters were not
needed ON OUR TREK. Having read some others experiences, they seemed to
find them helpful. Never thought about taking extra food; We had all
we could eat and more.

Dave Parmly
Knoxville, TN

What size tarp did you take?
8 x 10 = 1.2 lbs.
10 X 12 =1.75 lbs
Philmont supplies 12 x 12 = 4 lbs.

> Don't take all the cook kit. Buy a silnylin tarp for $70 at Campmor
and
save
> some weight. Use the philtents. Try aluminium gutter nails for the
stakes
> you have to provide. You won't need more than two stoves and I think
you
can
> rent them there. Use their water treatment and not filters--they clog
and
> the cartridges are pricely. Don't take any extra food. So really, just
the
> tarp would cost some real money. They're great. Ours is still fine
after
> Philmont in 02 and will be going back in 06.
>
> Sian Baranco
> Sewanee, TN

We took the 10 X 12. It was pitched low with hiking poles to cover the
packs.

Sian

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