[philmont] Eagle Scout

Who, Me? I'm just a district advancement chairman.
This is REALLY off topic for Philmont, but come on over to Scouts-L and you
have a whole lot of advancement folks threre that can advise.

In a nutshell, however, the following is to be considered.
1) have the parents get a copy of advancement committe policies and
procedures so they understand precisely what the appeals process is.
2) Have the scout Demand a board of review. Insist on a written reason why
the BOR is being refused, or if he doesn't pass it. If they refuse to give
a written reason, note that in the appeal.
3) Appeal FIRST to the troop advancement chair, or if none, troop committee
chair. If refused, appeal to the district advancement chair, if refused,
the council advancement chair, and if refused, National. Copy of all
appeals to your scout executive.
4) the youth has only 3 months since his 18th birthday for his Eagle BOR
without approval of an extension. Council can extend that 3 additional
months on its own initiative. After that, requests for additional time will
go to national.
5) If the circumstances set fotth below are accurate, and the youth follows
the process above in the order given and in a reasonable manner, he WILL be
given approval by National for his Eagle.

Now, let's keep the Philmont list about Philmont and discuss this elsewhere.
Don Roberts
Fullerton, CA
Los Amigos District Advancment Chairman
Orange County Council

-----Original Message-----
From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Welton
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:34 AM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Eagle Scout

  National will fix it if the Troop continues to screw up. Tell the parents
not to worry and use the District and Council resources. If that fails, keep
pushing and Don Roberts could be a great resource.

  YiS,
  Jim Welton

  On 5/1/07, Daniel Preston <prestonar@bellsouth.net> wrote:
    This is completely off-topic but I have come to respect the combined
    wisdom of this list more than any other resource that I know, so here
    it is:

    I have been asked by a parent of an Eagle Scout candidate to attend a
    meeting with her, her son's scoutmaster and a few committee members to
    discuss why the scoutmaster refuses to sign-off on the Scout's
    completed Eagle project. The Scout has now turned 18, so the
    scoutmaster's approval is critical to his obtaining the Eagle rank. As
    I understand it, the scoutmaster has two objections to the Eagle
    project:
    1. He changed the scope of the project while it was being executed.
    2. He embellished the work in his final write-up.

    The project was to make improvements at a local City park. A small
    part of the project was to paint a basketball goal. However, the
    weather was cold over the weekend of the project, so the Parks
    Department did not want the basketball goal painted. In lieu of
    painting the goal post, the Scout adjusted his project to include
    mulching about 70 trees. The following weekend, his family painted the
    basketball goal.

    In his final write-up, the Scout said that the basketball goal had been
    scraped, primed and painted, which was not accurate. They simply
    painted it with a final coat of paint.

    The scoutmaster is upset that the project scope varied from the
    approved project and has accused the scout of "lying" about the work
    that was accomplished. I don't know the scout well - his brother is a
    member of our Troop, but I do know that he is a good kid. He was very
    active in his Troop and was twice elected Senior Patrol Leader. He
    completed all of his Eagle requirements except his project by age 15.
    There has been some conflict between the Troop leadership and Scout due
    to his lack of participation over the last year. They rejected his
    project write-up repeatedly without giving him good explanations why.
    I read one of his write-up's that was rejected and it was the most
    complete, thorough description of an Eagle project that I have
    reviewed.

    Although I know the scoutmaster, I am an outsider to the Troop
    committee and am not sure what help I can provide for the Scout's
    parent. This is not your typical Boy Scout Troop. It is the largest
    Troop in the area and is run like a corporation, with a very active
    committee and a six-figure endowment fund. The Scout's parents don't
    think they will have any luck appealing at the District or Council
    level because of the Troop's strength and connections. Any advice?
    Any similar experiences?

    Dan Preston
    Scoutmaster, Troop 319
    Louisville, KY
    Philmont '70, '72, '02, '06

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