[philmont] When to say No - WAS:taking AED to Philmont?

Sam,

I now see that your trek is july 07. Obvioulsy the 10% weight goal and the
whole three month thing is out the door..... but you get the drift. Good
luck and good hiking.

Kirk Maes, MD
Troop 503 Vero Beach, Florida

On 5/19/07, kirk maes <kirkmaes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> Your big guy is a smoker at 6'2'' and 245.... he probably has high blood
> pressure issues as well. If the docs at the ranch don't like what they see
> when he gets there, they won't clear him for the final hike. I would
> recommand you set limits and goals for your big guy right now...for
> example...1. quit smoking, 2 make him get a clearence physical *now* so
> you know his baseline status, 3. set your own mandatory weight goal that he
> must meet to be eligable to go...(perhaps to be 10% under his max weight
> limit for his height at least 3 months before your trek). 4. work out an
> exercise plan with him now and mandate that he keep a log of his progress as
> an additional requirement for participation. As an adult scout leader going
> on this type of high quality trip that focuses on team work and setting an
> example....make him tow the line! Besides, if he does all that you will
> likely have saved his life.
>
> Kirk Maes, MD
> Phil Aug 08 and looking forward to a great first time experience.
>
>
> On 5/18/07, mycales@tx.rr.com <mycales@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sam,
> >
> > You have the right and responsiblity to say "NO, you are not going" to
> > anyone who will be a danger to themselves or the rest of the crew at the
> > ranch. It's one of the hardest things to do. You are impacting every
> > crewmember by making a good or bad decision.
> >
> > If he is not in shape, and is not daily trying to get in shape, I'd
> > leave him home.
> >
> > We make that stipulation clear when participants sign up 18 months ahead
> > of time. If they don't get in shape, they don't go to Philmont. Period.
> >
> > Now, I'm not trying to open a can of worms about leaving kids at
> > home. They are much more resilient and bounce back from most anything the
> > ranch throws at them. I'm mainly talking about us hard-headed crotchety
> > advisors. There are times to say "No" to kids, too, but they are few and
> > far between.
> >
> > (sure hope I spellled some of those big word right...)
> >
> > Shane (from work)
> >
> > ---- Larry Taylor <Larry.Taylor@co.travis.tx.us> wrote:
> > Jim
> > I have not yet taken my first AED class and second, I did know what the
> > weight was on one of these.
> > So while I apologize for angering you, I really appreciate the reply!
> > I did not want to come back from Philmont with a corpse when I might
> > have been able to prevent it!
> > I do have a Dad coming who is 6'2" -- 245 lbs and pushing the weight
> > limit and he smokes.
> > when we did a 21 mile -- 2 day training course he was really showing
> > how out of shape he was and we were almost at sea level. I am hoping
> > that NO doctor will certify him for his own sake but ......
> >
> > I thought on this forum we could ask the stupid questions and get some
> > good natured responses?
> > thanks for keeping you anger in check!
> > Sam Taylor ASM Troop 89
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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