The Phil-list Nov_2003: RE: [Philmont]: Request for 2004 partic

From: Johnson, Martin Joseph (Marty) <mjj1@lucent.com>
Date: Fri Nov 14 2003 - 16:52:19 CST

Rich,
Having spent a year enjoying the Canoe List prior to our three crews canoeing up at Sommers this past summer, I have been surprised by how quiet the Philmont list seems in comparison. Perhaps it was the constant dialog from a few opinionated individuals that make the canoe list seem livelier.
We have two crews of fairly young scouts going to Philmont with the Three Fires Council (Illinois) contingent this upcoming June. Many went to Sommers this year, so they learned the basics of minimal personal gear, bear safety, stove cooking, etc. However, we don't have a great deal of experience backpacking. So here's a few "tenderfoot" questions:

* How large (in volume, cubic inches) a backpack do the scouts typically carry? Or another way to look at it, how much volume do they need to carry their share of the crew gear (above and beyond their personal gear)? And how closely do we need to enforce a maximum pack weight on the scouts -- I've heard its 25% to 30% of their body weight.
* Do the scouts need to invest in expensive watertight leather boots, or will less expensive nylon and leather combinations work? Some of these kids will grow two shoes sizes between now and June!
* What are the average high/low temeperatures in June at Philmont, and the corresponding requirements for clothing and sleeping bags?

We are currently working with our Council contingent leaders and others who've been to Philmont to choose a trek route. Thanks in advance for all the list's collective wisdom.
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Martin Johnson
Troop 34 Wheaton, Illinois
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Wenneker [mailto:Rich@WennekerUSA.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:48 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Request for 2004 participants to announce their
plans

This mailing list has been relatively quiet for the past four to six weeks
so I want to make a request.

I have approved 54 new subscriptions since October 1, and the current number
of subscriptions is 740. We all like to discuss anything Philmont and the
best discussions start with questions about preparing for next year's
camping or training programs.

I didn't make it to the Ranch this year, and my unit didn't get an
expedition or cavalcade for 2004. Last Saturday I got to talk to Doug
Palmer of PSR, and two ex-philstaffers, at the Longhorn Council's University
of Scouting. It sure gave me the itch to find a way to go in 2004, be it
Kanik, PTC, or Autumn Adventure. If I could turn back time, then R.O.C.S,
OA trail crew, Ranch Hand, Philstaff, Philbreak, or maybe even Rayado, would
be in my plans.

So my request is for those of you with trips planned in 2004 to speak up and
make me envious. Tell me which program you are attending, the dates and/or
expedition number, and if this is your first trip to Philmont. Some of you
have what many of us can't ever have again - the anticipation of a first
visit to "Scouting Paradise".

If you aren't going but other family members, unit members, or friends are,
let me know about their plans as well.

If you have never posted to this list before, just send an email message to
philmont@troop47.com and the listserver will process it. I look forward to
seeing your posts arriving throughout the next week.

Thanks,

Rich Wenneker
Moderator, USSSP Philmont Email Discussion List

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RE: [Philmont]: Request for 2004 participants to announce their plans