Re: [Philmont]: Registered in Your Unit

Again, let me emphasize that the comments are based on 16-year old
hearsay from the Council High Adventure Committee of the time - which we
accepted as being factual. And it does kinda make sense, at least to
this non-lawyer's eyes. But as I discovered two (?) years ago with my
adamant-but-incorrect statements on whether Scouts could tent alone,
some Council "statements of fact" are anything but.... Certainly no one
has inquired about this issue (with me at least) in nearly 10 years.

Scott Calkins wrote:
> Bob,
> Thanks for the heads up on dual registering "extratrooperal" scouts in my
> crew. I look forward to any additional discussion on this topic.
> Especially if the poster can offer insight for everyone who may live one of
> those states whose legal system is based on Napoleonic Code.
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
> Behalf Of Dr. Bob Klein
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:41 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Registered in Your Unit
>
>
>
>>>Just a technical point: If you read the application criteria, it
>>>clearly states that you can only bring members that are 'registered in
>>>your unit'. I take this to mean that scarfing up a crew from old buddies
>>>and surrounding units is not within the spirit of the rules.
>>
>>
>>Where is it stated that you can only bring members registered in your
>
> unit?
>
>>My understanding is that, while the initial reservation must be made only
>>for members of a specific unit, you can later "fill in" a crew with
>>members of other units. I know that's the way Philmont has operated in
>>past years.
>
>
>
> Comment: This is not intended as a restriction, but rather (I am nearly
> positive) as a means of clarifying insurance and liability. Remember
> that the BSA insurance flow involves the family, the Chartered Partner,
> and the BSA (and if you really screwed up, you the Advisor(s)). If you
> are running an independent Crew, AND you have members from many
> different Units, then there can be issues of which Chartered Partner is
> responsible for what (perhaps Jim Moss or other List-Lawyers can
> comment). I sure we can all dream up some "interesting" scenarios of
> fault and liability that would turn into a legal free-for-all in
> independent (non-provisional) Crews made up from Advisors and Scouts
> from multiple Units.
>
> For this reason (or rather, as it was explained to me at the time), I
> have been asked to dual register Scouts from other Units in my Troop for
> the purposes of insurance on High Adventures, most notably Philmont, but
> also Sea Base and Maine/Matagamon. Dual registration only costs a
> dollar, so cheap insurance.
>
> I will say this is likely one of the most obscure and most ignored
> aspects of Unit planning for Philmont or other BSA High Adventures. I
> think the last time I bothered was on one of my mid-90's treks, and
> no-one has said squat to me since. I should pay better attention to
> this issue, but it gets lost in the avalanche of things that have to be
> done, and anyway I haven't had any non-111 Scouts in any of my High
> Adventure Crews since 2000. Certainly Philmont doesn't check beyond
> making sure the participant is registered somewhere, and (as Calvin
> notes) they strongly encourage you to fill your Crews from any source,
> especially if you are a borderline Crew that is going down for the third
> time for lack of participants.
>
> Also, to preclude the next obvious question, no, this doesn't apply to
> Council-run provisional Crews, even if most of the Crew members derive
> from one Unit. In such cases, the Council itself is the de facto
> Chartered Partner.
>
> - Dr. Bob
>

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Received on Fri Nov 5 05:42:39 2004