RE: [Philmont]: Read the entire comment before reacting

It's a shame. I was heading south out of Cimmarron last summer to visit
my staph son and on the way into town was a crew (obviously) in one
pickup. Three in the front, the rest riding in the back.
 
These adults had been through plenty of training. They knew most of the
biggies in G2ss. They had to know what they were doing was wrong.
 
I believe there are two basic kinds of bad people: Those who don't know
the difference between right and wrong, and those who do but don't care.

 
Mike
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Tavares
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:32 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Read the entire comment before reacting
 
My first comments in my other reply are along those same lines, just not
as well said. But I do find fault with the adult leaders in that group
because of their lacking of supervision. Plus, SOMEONE transported the
PVC and the potatoes. I seem to remember one of the 12 points of
leadership, taught in Youth Leader Training, Youth Leader Instructor
Training, and Wood Badge: Setting the Example. What were those guys
thinking?
 
 
 
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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Jason Cotting
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:46 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Read the entire comment before reacting
The problem isn't enough training, know how, or knowledge in how to do
leave no trace camping. You can teach someone till they are blue in the
face about how to set up a campsite properly or how to dispose of human
waste properly. The solution is getting Scouts to have a propper outdoor
ethic. Just like I was taught at a young age that lying, stealing, and
murduring is wrong, so too do Scouts need to learn an ethic that will
make them want to behave in a way that LNT methods are used. To quote
from a book:

"Appropriate behavior flows from an understanding of and respect for the
land, an inherent set of values within the individual user - a land
ethic" (Soft
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0811730921/aphilmorangersgu>
Paths, 10)

A big part of that is by the example set by the role models. Whether
that be the older Scouts or the adults.

I can remember my last mountain trek I took out. We did Wilderness
Pledge with my crew on about the last day of the trek on top of
Phillips. After my partner and I presented the pledge to our crew, we
all sat and looked out over the Merino Valley, soaking in our last big
vista for the trip. After a while, I got up a did what I always did when
I got to the top of Baldy and Phillips. I started tearing down all the
memorials scouts leave up there. Without any prompting, my crew started
doing the same thing. It was definitely one of those"EUREKA!" moments.
They just got it, and I was so happy.

-- 
Jason Cotting
Retired Ranger
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