RE: [Philmont]: Back on Topic - was Read the entire comment before reacting

--- "James H. Moss" <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com> wrote:

> So the next District Ranger in charge of Concessions
> comes from an area that
> has a very bad experience with BSA units. The Valle
> Vidal permit comes up
> for renewal (and if it is not on a permit, it will
> be in the next couple of
> years based on proposed legislation and USFS
> rulings.) That person denies
> the permit.
>
> BSA hires attorneys and lobbyists and appeals. BSA
> gets congressman in the
> act etc and the permit is eventually allowed, with a
> lot more restrictions
> and lot more $$ on the part of the BSA, as well as a
> lot of money spent on
> the fight.
>
> Or based on Valle Vidal, Philmont is declared an
> inholding. Inholdings are
> listed at one of the top 3 problems of this
> administration. The Feds force
> the sale of the Philmont to them. Don't laugh it
> happens all the time around
> here. Supreme Court just upheld eminent domain.
>
> Example number 2 is extremely rare, but like I said,
> it happens in the west.
> Example #1 is very plausible and probable.
>
> When people think of youth and camping they think
> the BSA. When Federal Land
> Managers think youth and camping they do not want to
> think BSA. If they
> think BSA they think felons.
>
> This may seem far fetched to some of you, especially
> in the east. But my
> legal practice in the last 10 years has shifted from
> defending lawsuits to
> access issues; Getting people on federal land. Rocky
> Mountain National Park
> had 100 concessionaires seven years ago (churches,
> schools, etc as well as
> backpacking and rock climbing guide services.) They
> dropped that number to
> five and one of the 95 who lost appealed and got
> their permit back.
>
> If they could figure out a way they (federal land
> managers) would restrict
> BSA now. They started working on colleges 10 years
> ago and are getting very
> effective at it.
>
> Philmont is the crown jewel of the BSA and the
> example of how the BSA
> backpacks. It will be tough if the only place you
> can go backpacking will be
> Philmont. Think that is a joke contact the state
> colleges in North Carolina.
> They are now only allowed to backpack in state
> parks.
>
> Am I an alarmist, not intending to be. Am I worried
> and worried enough to
> let you know. Yes.
>
> Jim
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> Behalf Of R Fisher
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Back on Topic - was Read the
> entire comment before
> reacting
>
> No Flames Intended!!!
>
> I'm sorry Kirk, but IMO this is on topic in many
> ways. There are a large
> number of Troops and Crews that may be using NPS or
> USFS or BLM or other
> agencies "managed land" to conduct training and
> shake-down activities.
> Having to deal with negative preconceptions can
> affect all of them if
> nothing else than just creating a bunch more hoops
> to jump through.
>
> The Valle Vidal is not owned by Philmont; it is
> entirely part of the Carson
> National Forest. Having morons such as the ones
> described could very easily
> restrict Philmont's ability to run programs and
> operate staffed camps in the
> area.
>
> Granted, this discussion probably isn't as relevant
> or interesting as a
> discussion on what is the best stove to use for
> backpacking at Philmont, but
> there is some relevancy. At least there is from my
> point of view.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Roy Fisher
>
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