I have seen several techniques for LNT-style bear bagging in the past, including one our ranger described to us but was not able to put into practice because of the camp site layout we were dealing with in the Valle. Does anyone have techniques they'd like to share regarding how they set up a bear bag in an LNT environment without a bear cable?
-- Joe Tavares NOTICE: This email is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorized use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this email is not permitted without my expressed permission. > Bringing Jim's message back to those of you training for and going to > Philmont, the principles your crews learn on shakedown or training weekends > (those 2-4 day backpacking trips) prepare the crews for Philmont but they > also solidify outdoor living principles. If you require your crews to > practice LNT principles on shakedown trips, they'll be prepared for Philmont > and then will do it for 10-11 days in a row at Philmont. They'll practice > them thereafter as habit. If we don't do what we can to instill this sense > of respect for the outdoors in a way that demonstrates that we're leaders in > that area, we may find government intrusion beyond which we presently > anticipate. As I tell my clients, I'm the one paid to be cynical, to think > about the worst than can happen in order to do what can be done to prevent > it from happening. Jim is just throwing us a little free advice. It may > seem cynical, but it's potentially real and perhaps preventable. Now I'll > get off my soap box as I know I'm really preaching to the choir here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Turk Stanley [mailto:turksr01@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont > Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Back on Topic - was Read the entire comment > before reacting > > > > > --- "James H. Moss" <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com> wrote: > > > So the next District Ranger in charge of Concessions > > comes from an area that > > has a very bad experience with BSA units. The Valle > > Vidal permit comes up > > for renewal (and if it is not on a permit, it will > > be in the next couple of > > years based on proposed legislation and USFS > > rulings.) That person denies > > the permit. > > > > BSA hires attorneys and lobbyists and appeals. BSA > > gets congressman in the > > act etc and the permit is eventually allowed, with a > > lot more restrictions > > and lot more $$ on the part of the BSA, as well as a > > lot of money spent on > > the fight. > > > > Or based on Valle Vidal, Philmont is declared an > > inholding. Inholdings are > > listed at one of the top 3 problems of this > > administration. The Feds force > > the sale of the Philmont to them. Don't laugh it > > happens all the time around > > here. Supreme Court just upheld eminent domain. > > > > Example number 2 is extremely rare, but like I said, > > it happens in the west. > > Example #1 is very plausible and probable. > > > > When people think of youth and camping they think > > the BSA. When Federal Land > > Managers think youth and camping they do not want to > > think BSA. If they > > think BSA they think felons. > > > > This may seem far fetched to some of you, especially > > in the east. But my > > legal practice in the last 10 years has shifted from > > defending lawsuits to > > access issues; Getting people on federal land. Rocky > > Mountain National Park > > had 100 concessionaires seven years ago (churches, > > schools, etc as well as > > backpacking and rock climbing guide services.) They > > dropped that number to > > five and one of the 95 who lost appealed and got > > their permit back. > > > > If they could figure out a way they (federal land > > managers) would restrict > > BSA now. They started working on colleges 10 years > > ago and are getting very > > effective at it. > > > > Philmont is the crown jewel of the BSA and the > > example of how the BSA > > backpacks. It will be tough if the only place you > > can go backpacking will be > > Philmont. Think that is a joke contact the state > > colleges in North Carolina. > > They are now only allowed to backpack in state > > parks. > > > > Am I an alarmist, not intending to be. Am I worried > > and worried enough to > > let you know. Yes. > > > > Jim > > > > James H. 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