Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Program Planning

This is not a common occurrence under typical (that is, most)
conditions. The most common being lack of horses for a scheduled
horseback ride - and even then, the wranglers are much more likely to
cut the ride in half and get a second group out, versus turning people
away. The second is weather induced - if a program like spar-pole
climbing gets cancelled for thunderstorms, then a lot of Crews may get
pushed to the next day. Most will hike on the following morning, but
some will stay for the program, which then "robs Peter to pay Paul" re
the program for arriving Crews. And if it rains again, it further
compounds. That's the luck of the draw.

I have seen staffers literally work til dusk to get Crews through their
programs. In a perfect world, every Scout would make every program.
But reality can interfere. Regardless, no Scout's Philmont experience
will become a disappointment for the sake of an unavoidably missed
program. And in my personal observations, most programs that were
missed were because the Crew showed up way late, not because they were
turned away at Logistics or at the camp (e.g., like the Crew that pulled
into Clark's Fork this past summer at 11 pm and wanted to know where the
Chuckwagon Dinner was located??) For the vast majority of Crews, if you
get there early, every day, you'll get ALL your programs.

- Dr. Bob

John Guerin wrote:
> The part about not getting to take advantage of an event in a town is
> something which troubles me tremendously. I've heard of stories of
> getting to a town too late to participate, even though the crew arrived
> relatively early in the day. I've also heard stories of crew rangers
> not signing up crews early enough in base camp for some events in some
> towns. This whole thing bothers me. If a crew is given a trek which
> includes certain activities, it would seem both flat wrong and quite
> unfair to deny them the opportunity to participate. After all, getting
> to Philmont once in a lifetime for many of these Scouts should be a
> close to perfect experience!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kbarley6 <mailto:kbarley6@cox.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <mailto:philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Program Planning
>
> There are lots of resources for this, some manual, some on the web.
> Others should fill in those recommendations.
>
> My thoughts are that there are many items that often do not get
> considered. For example, the number of showers you might have a
> chance at, or how important is coming home to base camp by foot
> power (Tooth of Time) vs. a bus.
>
> I would ask the boys how important backpacking mileage is. Some
> crews really want to perform; bagging many miles and lots of peaks.
> They always seem self-satisfied. I've never had a crew that wanted
> to to that. I have seen some regrets though, and was able to push
> some grumbling away by saying "you had a chance to speak up and set
> a physical goal."
>
> Another thing to ask for is which treks promise, but do not
> deliver. I think they have modified 23, but as laid out it's used
> to be very difficult to get the program planned for Harlan. Also,
> some items like horses are not guaranteed. It's bad if you work
> hard to get burro races or horse rides, but there aren't any
> resources left once you roll through logistics.
>
> YIS
>
> Kirk Barley
> Virginia Beach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Dean Stinson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Program Planning
>
> I am looking for tools to help our crew choose our trek. I have
> the 2003 Philmont Guidebook to adventure for reference but would
> like to email the crew the possible Programs they can choose from.
>
> Does anyone have a list of the Programs and the Program Features
> written out like the guide?
>
> I plan on having the crew rank order their Program preferences
> and then find the top choices and make a best fit with last
> years Trek itineraries. Does anyone have an Excel file that can
> help grade responses and compare then to the Treks for best fit?
>
> Dean Stinson
> P627
>

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Received on Wed Nov 30 21:37:02 2005