[philmont] Local Tour Permits

Local Tour PermitsThe Denver Area Council is the same. I believe it covers the intent and spirit of G2SS. ymmv.

Mark Zoller
former Health and Safety Chairman, Arapahoe District
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  From: Jonas, Jon W CTR AMC/A3RI<mailto:Jon.Jonas.ctr@scott.af.mil>
  To: philmont List Member<mailto:philmont@troop47.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:49 AM
  Subject: [philmont] Local Tour Permits

  Good Day, all--while my question is not on Philmont topic, I can't find a directly relevant discussion list to post this on. If someone here can point me in the right direction, I'll be happy to take this question elsewhere. I will also post this to Canoe and Treks discussion lists.

  Now to my question: my local Council just published the following policy concerning local tour permits. In my humble opinion, it violates Guide to Safe Scouting intent if not letter. Is this a policy other councils are now publishing as well, or have we stepped out of line?

  "COUNCIL LOCAL TOUR PERMIT POLICY:

  After a lengthy discussion, the following suggested policy was agreed upon:

   A local Tour Permit is required to be turned into the Okaw Valley Council for unit outings if any of the following is true about your outing:

       1. The outing is out of council.

       2. The outing is long term (longer thatn 7 days).

       3. The outing includes any of the following activities: swimming, boating, climbing/rappelling, caving, or overnight backpacking.

    The Troop, Crew, Pack (unit) Committee Chairman or his (her) designee should fill out the back of the Local Tour Permit Application with the information on all potential drivers for the unit for the Charter year and keep it with the unit records." (recently published in the Okaw Valley Echo, our council newsletter).

  According to the Guide to Safe Scouting,

  "Tour Permits

  If a unit plans a trip within 500 miles of the home base, it is important that the unit obtain a local tour permit. A national tour permit is required for trips in excess of 500 miles from home or outside the continental United States. (See samples of both in the appendix<http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/gssax.html>.)

  Tour permits have become recognized by national parks, military institutions, and other organizations as proof that a unit activity has been well planned and organized and is under capable and qualified leadership. These organizations may require the tour permit for entry.

  Most short, in-town den trips of a few hours do not require a tour permit; however, it is recommended that dens obtain permission slips from parents."

  Source: http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=ds&terms=%22guide+to+safe+scouting%22<http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=ds&terms=%22guide+to+safe+scouting%22>

  Guide to Safe Scouting doesn't specify local tour permits needed for only out of council, long term, or outings incluidng swimming, boating, climbing/rappelling, caving, or overnight backpacking. Are any of your councils interpreting Guide to Safe Scouting as our council is?

  Thank you--and again, I apologize for posting a non-Philmont topic--not sure which discussion list to addres this to.

  Jon Jonas<>

  DRC

  618.744.9412x152

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