[philmont] Local Tour Permits

My two cents worth is that local tour permits are easy (the second time*) if
you use National's "On-line Application Assistant" to write your
application.

The form is at:

http://www.scouting.org/forms/

The site also has an on-line application assistant for the national permit.

*I say "second time" because getting the info together (drivers license,
vehicle descriptions, addresses) takes awhile the first time, but the info
"drops down" (sort of like a cookie?) in the same slot for subsequent
applications. We are a small unit (12 boys) so the info tends to be the
same every time, and the local app's have become a snap.

Steve Mountainspring

SM, T-111

Winston, Oregon

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From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Jonas,
Jon W CTR AMC/A3RI
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:49 AM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Local Tour Permits

Good Day, all--while my question is not on Philmont topic, I can't find a
directly relevant discussion list to post this on. If someone here can
point me in the right direction, I'll be happy to take this question
elsewhere. I will also post this to Canoe and Treks discussion lists.

Now to my question: my local Council just published the following policy
concerning local tour permits. In my humble opinion, it violates Guide to
Safe Scouting intent if not letter. Is this a policy other councils are now
publishing as well, or have we stepped out of line?

"COUNCIL LOCAL TOUR PERMIT POLICY:

After a lengthy discussion, the following suggested policy was agreed upon:

 A local Tour Permit is required to be turned into the Okaw Valley Council
for unit outings if any of the following is true about your outing:

     1. The outing is out of council.

     2. The outing is long term (longer thatn 7 days).

     3. The outing includes any of the following activities: swimming,
boating, climbing/rappelling, caving, or overnight backpacking.

  The Troop, Crew, Pack (unit) Committee Chairman or his (her) designee
should fill out the back of the Local Tour Permit Application with the
information on all potential drivers for the unit for the Charter year and
keep it with the unit records." (recently published in the Okaw Valley
Echo, our council newsletter).

According to the Guide to Safe Scouting,

"Tour Permits

If a unit plans a trip within 500 miles of the home base, it is important
that the unit obtain a local tour permit. A national tour permit is required
for trips in excess of 500 miles from home or outside the continental United
States. (See samples of both in the
<http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/gssax.html> appendix.)

Tour permits have become recognized by national parks, military
institutions, and other organizations as proof that a unit activity has been
well planned and organized and is under capable and qualified leadership.
These organizations may require the tour permit for entry.

Most short, in-town den trips of a few hours do not require a tour permit;
however, it is recommended that dens obtain permission slips from parents."

Source:
<http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=ds&terms=%22guide+to+safe+scou
ting%22>
http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=ds&terms=%22guide+to+safe+scout
ing%22

Guide to Safe Scouting doesn't specify local tour permits needed for only
out of council, long term, or outings incluidng swimming, boating,
climbing/rappelling, caving, or overnight backpacking. Are any of your
councils interpreting Guide to Safe Scouting as our council is?

Thank you--and again, I apologize for posting a non-Philmont topic--not sure
which discussion list to addres this to.

Jon Jonas

DRC

618.744.9412x152

 
 
 
 
 
 
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