[philmont] Local Tour Permits

And the downside is???

Seriously, the various exceptions and variants being presented here
merely proves the point I made yesterday, that you're better off filing
for everything rather than trying to determine whether you need to or
not. I'll bet if you drafted up a "quiz" on "Do I need to file -
Yes/No" and had any of your District Roundtable attendees fill it out,
the results would be all over the map. I guarantee this because I am a
17 year RTC/ARTC and we do surveys like this routinely, if nothing else
just for grins.

The primary purposes of Tour Permits, as I understand it, is to: A) Get
Scout leaders - esp. novice/inexperienced leaders - to pay closer
attention to all the rules and regs governing Scout activities; and B)
Give the Council folks a rich source of information for data-mining.
That said, we all see the GTSS edicts violated constantly by Scout Units
everywhere, and most Councils do absolutely nothing with their Tour
Permits, having long since cut their staffs to the bone and not having
time for such trivial pursuits.

I have no idea if it's accurate anymore (so don't bite me if you know
better), but I was told some years ago that between 2/3rds and 3/4's of
all Units NEVER file a Tour Permit unless demanded as the price of
admission somewhere, like an OOC Camp. Again, based on my RT attendee
responses, that is probably still accurate. Makes you wonder why we're
still doing it at all, when it's rarely checked and rarely enforced.

Off to the Salt-Mines.

- Dr. Bob

Craig Winney wrote:
> We could bury our Council Camping office (not to mention the entire
> Council HQ building) in paper if every unit in the Council had to file a
> local tour permit for every unit activity within the Council boundaries.
> That being said, we are required to file a local tour permit for
> activities outside Council boundaires, less than 500 miles from base,
> and of course, a National Permit for anything over 500, etc etc.
> Couriously, since our Council spans 2 states (Missouri & Illinois) and
> the most direct route to one of our Council properties involves going
> out of Council, into another state, and then back into Council territory
> within that 2nd state, no tour permit is required.
> However, in Council, we must file a Council Property reservation form
> for any activity that takes place on any of our Council properties. This
> is to provide quality control on our properties. Units must have a
> reservation to be on site, they must check-in and check-out with the
> Camp Ranger at that property, and they must have the reservation to make
> use of any program materials on that property (ropes, cabins, etc.) Now
> perhaps this is our "local tour permit" as is being discussed here, but
> since we still use that form for other purpose, I tend to believe that
> we are saving our Council camping staff time, aggrevation, money and paper.
>
> In regards to our Friends across the river in Okaw Valley, sound like
> the lawyers wrote your new policy.
>
> Craig Winney
> UC; Pack, Troop & Crew 787
> Greater St Louis Area Council
>

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Received on Wed Nov 22 05:45:59 2006