[philmont] Fruit Basket Turnover

The Philsearch project is adding a valuable dimension to pretrek planning --
pictures of what you can expect to see on a given trek.

I hope the Philsearch project can include more pictures of the scenery you
encounter on a given trek. The pictures that are already there are
excellent. More pictures are needed that show what you can see on a given
leg of a trek.

This is obviously a tall order as Philmont and its treks literally cover a
lot of ground.

The enormous progress made on the Philsearch project to date leaves me
optimistic that further
progress in getting "scenery" photographs put up will happen.

Thanks to everyone who have contributed to the Philsearch project. Thanks
in advance to those who have great "scenery" photographs and will contribute
these to the Philsearch project.

The Philsearch project will help those planning for a trek, will help
promote Philmont, and will allow
everyone to enjoy the great natural beauty of Philmont Scout Ranch.

Joe Jansen
JAJansenJr@gmail.com
Philmont 1965; 1978

>From: "Troop 6 Webmaster" <troop6webmaster@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: "philmont List Member" <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: [philmont] Fruit Basket Turnover
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:34:31 -0500
>
>I agree with Julian ... there will be lots of information regarding treks
>that we won't be able to verify until we have books in-hand ... it happens
>every year.
>
>The Ranch will do what they do, Julian will do his thing, AL Thomson will
>update his sheet, I'll update PhilSearch, etc. and the beat will go on.
>
>I spoke with Doug about a year ago about the Trek Planning process and
>specifically the PEAKS project that got past years treks books on-line. He
>was surprised that there was so much interest in itineraries in advance of
>their release and cautioned that old treks books were just that, out of
>date
>information. I tried to explain the significance of the process from the
>consumer's perspective ... getting the best trek possible for their crew.
>His point is one you will hear over and over ... there are no bad treks ...
>
>For what its worth I'll make the ask but I don't expect early access to be
>granted though, and it really isn't that big a deal. In my recent
>experience all the crews I've been associated with got their first or
>second
>choice (including all nine crews in our council contingent last year) and
>nobody came back disappointed. None of these crews fed-exed the reply
>card,
>none called emergency trek planning meetings but all understood what was
>important to their crews in terms of program, terrain or other "musts" so
>that the Lead Advisor & Crew Leader could evaluate the changes and serve
>the
>crew. In the end all could do this and return the cards within a week.
>
>For us the trek planning process starts in January, its outlined on the
>troop 6 website below. This year's version will be available sometime
>before
>the end of the year in time for our 2007 crews to use it, I'll be sure to
>share the updated version when its available.
>
>YIS
>Jim
>HA ASM Troop 6
>HA Chair Chester County Council
>www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont
>PSR '74(16) '04(4) '06(26)
>IWTGBTP
>www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philsearch
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of
>Julian Love
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:10 PM
>To: philmont List Member
>Subject: [philmont] Fruit Basket Turnover
>
>
>In my experiences talking to Doug and others around the Ranch, Doug
>keeps the Treks book and itinerary changes pretty confidential, very
>few know, and he keeps pretty tight lips about what might change and
>what might be expected. This is to be fair to everyone and not let
>some have an accidental unfair advantage of advance
>knowledge. Almost every year we hear, Doug said this or that, or a
>Phil Rep said this or that. And when the Treks book actually comes
>out, not much of the advance info was really reliable. I'd question
>whether a "Phil Rep" really knew much specifics about itinerary
>changes, and if he did, he wouldn't say much.
>
>I've been tracking year-to-year changes in detail since 1992, and got
>really organized about it in 2000 when Mark Griffin (PTC Director
>till Feb 00) generously gave us the itinerary cross reference listing
>between 1999 to 2000, the year they went from 30 to 35 treks and
>renumbered most them - the most major and significant changes in
>recent years. (See
>http://www.troop116.org/philmont/phlitinxref05-99.htm .) (A cross
>ref for the most recent 5 years only is at
>http://www.troop116.org/philmont/phlitinxref.htm .)
>
>Bottom line in my book, don't get too up tight about what you hear no
>matter how reliable you think is the source. Go ahead and use the
>previous year's Treks book with your crew's Scout leadership to pick
>itineraries and features you like. Then when you get the new book,
>do a side by side comparison and note the changes. It takes about 30
>minutes, less with someone helping. You're sure to find ones the
>same or very close to what you previously picked, or you may even
>find something you like better.
>
>Of course, it's always fun to speculate. But it's for sure Doug, and
>anyone else who thinks they know, won't tell you much ahead of
>time. And did I hear the itineraries in the Treks book will be
>released online simultaneously with sending them out, March 15,
>right? (See http://www.scouting.org/philmont/camping/treks/index.html .)
>
>YiS, Julian
>
>Julian Love, Troop 116
>Mecklenburg County Council, Charlotte, NC
>
>----Previous Message Follows----
>From: "JC Lewis" <jc.lewis@tx.rr.com>
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:13:54 -0600
>
>OK, everyone put this on hold until I can talk to my Expedition Leader who
>attended the meeting at council. I need to tell him with what you think
>Doug told you and see if my guy misunderstood what was said at the meeting.
>When he first told me about this I didn't ask him the name of the PhilRep.
>In 2005, Doug, himself, came to our meeting. I'll find out & report what's
>what. So, for the time being . . . "never mind".
>
>Jerry
>
>-----Previous Message Follows-----
>From: Al Thomson
>Date: Thu, Nov 23, 2006 6:55 AM
>
>While the renumbering of the treks is WAY overdue (or at least the
><cut>
>my brief conversation with Doug at Cito in September makes
>me question the PhilRep you heard. Doug's comment was on the lines of he
>hoped to have the 2007 TREKS done in October and that the changes would be
>minor.
>
>- Al Thomson, Troop 236, Schooley's Mountain NJ
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "JC Lewis" <jc.lewis@tx.rr.com>
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:59:47 -0600
>
>Each year, a PhilRep comes to our council and gives a PhilTalk. This year,
>he announced that all the itineraries were being redone and renumbered
>except for 1 and 33, I believe. If true, that means we'll have an "active"
>
>Jerry Lewis
>611-I3 2007
>Troop 303, McKinney, Texas
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