From: Tom Foss (tomfoss@usa.net)
Date: Mon Oct 29 2001 - 16:25:30 CST
The Academy is great, and free. You camp at the Scout Campsite next to
the B52, which has running water and flush toilets available. We chose
not to cook that night, but called Domino's on the cell and had them
deliver -- they're used to delivering 'to the B52'.
We didn't rent a van, but had a charter from Gray Line pick us up at
COS, take us to Garden of the Gods, on a tour of the Academy, and then
drop us at the campsite (hence the calling for delivery). He picked us
up the next AM, drove us to Canon City, where had a nice 1/2 day
rafting trip, then on to Trinidad, where we stayed in a cheap hotel.
Up & out at 0600 next morning, in to Philmont by 0800.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Parker
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Getting There
"Donald S. Roberts" wrote:
>
> Now that it has become far more relevant to me than in the past, I
> wanted to ask about how to get to Philmont. There appear to be three
> options (Times are from So. Cal.):
> Train = 22 hours, no sleeping facilities, how to get from
> Raton to Philmont?
> Plane = 2 hour flight, but driving to airport, shuttle rental
> from Colo. Sprgs or Alb., checkin
> Automobile = 13 hour drive, need to stay somewhere on the way,
> can cars be parked at Philmont?
>
> Certianly, the car option is the least expensive (provided no
> breakdowns). Air travel will probably be more stable by 2003 (I
> certainly hope so). Train is interesting but that's a long time and
> half the trip is a rather tedious desert view (at least the other half
> has some variety), and sleeping in seats is not my idea of fun. Is
> the bus that goes from Raton to Philmont free? Flying is a cheaper
> ticket (on average), but the shuttle cost seems to kill that savings.
> Should reservations be made for the "Philbus"? Auto travel means the
> drivers, adult advisors, will be tired, and there are G2SS issues to
> resolve.
>
> So, what do others do?
First off, congrats on the reservation. We got a reservation last year
for this coming summer and after reading the discussion about this
year's call-in, I'm smug enough to mention that we got thru in 12
minutes. In fact, two of us got thru within a minute of each other and
we got two reservations. It's not supposed to happen but it did. I
called back the following Monday and gave up the second reservation.
We're going to fly to COS and spend a day and a half in COS having fun
and getting acclimitized to the altitude before heading down to
Philmont. We're going to rent a 15 passenger van in COS. It turns out
that renting the van for two weeks and letting it sit at Philmont is
less expensive than what Timberline will charge for shuttle service.
If we drive, it will be a 20 hour trip. Driving personal vehicles isn't
an option because none of the adults have appropriate vehicles
available. Renting a van here and driving is nearly as expensive as
flying when you add up the rental cost, mileage charges, gas, extra days
of food & camping. Driving will also extend a 14 day trip to 17 or 18
days. That's a *long* time to be gone and the drive back when everyone
is tired would be a killer.
Taking the train is as expensive as flying, would be a 24 hour trip for
us, and would leave no time or place for acclimitization
Here's the trip:
July 10 - fly MSP to COS, rent van, tour COS, find cheap place
to stay
July 11 - tour COS
July 12 - get up early, drive to Philmont
July 24 - leave Philmont, drive to COS, fly home
Anyone know of good cheap places to camp in COS? I'm going to look into
the Air Force Academy and the military bases in the area. Anywhere
else?
- Dennis Parker
-------------------------------------------------------
Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe at
http://usscouts.org/lists/ Listserv Commands at
http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp
-------------------------------------------------------
Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com
Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com
-------------------------------------------------------
As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow
Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy,
loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient,
cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
-------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org
Subscribe/Unsubscribe at http://usscouts.org/lists/
Listserv Commands at http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp
-------------------------------------------------------
Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com
Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com
-------------------------------------------------------
As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow
Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy,
loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient,
cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
-------------------------------------------------------
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.7 : Thu Mar 13 2003 - 10:38:41 CST