From: S & S Parsons (blazer@cmc.net)
Date: Tue Oct 08 2002 - 08:43:55 CDT
I agree with Rob 110%!
Scott Parsons
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Haig" <rhaig@hackboy.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Crew Leader "Stamps"
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 08:13:19PM -0400, MWDillon@aol.com wrote:
> > I heard this was happening early in the summer, but we didn't have any
> > trouble when we went in August. I have an acquaintance who is a back
country
> > manager and said when they heard of this practice they put a stop to it.
> > There is no hazing in Scouts.
>
>
> True, nor should there be. But, while carving the staffed camp "stamp"
> in the book may not be what the crew leader was expecting, I don't see it
> as hazing.
>
> Nor do I see asking a scout to sing for a lost item (handbook, pocket
knife,
> whatever..) as hazing. Though not returning the item if the scout refuses
to
> sing is wrong. Whenever I was asked to sing, or saw anyone asked to sing
> during my time as a scout (years ago) it was always phrased as "Someone
was
> kind enough to turn in your item to us, will you be kind enough to sing us
> a verse?" If the scout refused, the item was returned on the spot. And
yes,
> some did refuse, usually with a polite "no thank you" or "I'd rather not".
>
> Nor do I see asking a scout to "sing for seconds" as hazing, though that
> discussion has been beaten to death on a different philmont list.
>
> For those who say singing for a lost item is hazing through embarassment,
> then isn't it embarassing to have your handbook returned to you at dinner?
> What, we should return it through the scoutmasters so the boy is spared
any
> repercussions of his actions? (oops, I'll stop now before I really get
started)
>
>
> I know hazing, I've seen it, and dealt with it (not in scouts though).
> This isn't it.
>
> --
> Rob
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