Re: [Philmont]: Philmont / Northern Tier

My Troop completed HEARTBREAK in Bissett this summer, and I agree about NT
being physicall harder than PHILMONT.

I think that Nothern Tier requires EVEN lighter weight of gear, space is
really limited........

I love PHILMONT and hope to go back in 2006, But if we don't get a TREK,
we'll definitely go back to NT.

troop681@hotmail.com
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Kim Pigorsch
Membership Chairmun (sic)
and Eagle Scout Advisor

Troop 681

San Diego, CA

>From: Alan Hamm <ahamm@alanhamm.com>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont / Northern Tier
>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:35:39 -0400
>
>John says "Physically, I'd say that Northern Tier is much more demanding
>than Philmont. Except for the knees that is. It doesn't have to be because
>one can stay on Mosse Lake for ten days and never portage, but no pain, no
>gain."
>
>Having been to both (Philmont as youth/adult and Maine as youth, Bissett as
>Adult), I have to agree. The 'Heartbreak' portage in Bissett that our crew
>did last year was the hardest physical challenge I have done in my life.
>It had a lot to do with the conditions. If the moose muck were any wetter
>or dryer, it would have been easier. I will never forget the various
>solutions the scouts came up with to "solve" this problem. And 20 years
>from now it will be a memory every bit as vivid as summiting Baldy or Mt.
>Phillips.
>
>Alan Hamm
>Bethesda, MD
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John LeBlanc
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:30 AM
> Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont / Northern Tier
>
>
> As I sometimes tell people with a grin and a tongue in my cheek, If I am
>in your way, then go around me.
>
> Well, if it offends your sinsitivities to mention Northern Tier on the
>Philmont list, then don't be offended.
>
> That being said, here's my take.
>
> Go to any group meeting or happening in Scouting and you will find
>discussions of Philmont as the pinnacle of Scouting. It's just the
>standard thing. Jamborees don't even come close and neither does Northern
>Tier or the other high adventure bases.
>
> NT does have one problem which is why they started the satellite bases
>at Attikokan and Bissett. There is a restriction of the number of daily
>entrants into the Boundary Waters and NT cannot expand that as they have at
>Philmont.
>
> Philmont however, has a lot more people wanting to go than can go.
>
> Philmont is sort of a cult thing. I say this as from the inside as a
>member of the cult. I went in 1959 as a 14 year old and it held that for
>me then. I went back in 2002 as a 57 year old advisor/dad to a 15 year old
>daughter. It held the same sort of things for me then as it did 43 years
>earlier.
>
> I went to NT before it was NT as a 21 year old assistant advisor. Nt is
>different than Philmont, but it's the same.........the same in that it's a
>very good learning experience for a young person (and an old person) to
>have.
>
> It also did the same thing for my daughter. NOt a month goes by that
>she dosn't tell me that a certain thing was easier due to experiences she
>had at Philmont whether it be dealing with difficulty or getting to a
>decision within a group of people.
>
> She by the way, at this very moment sits in our living room watching a
>movie wiht her boyfriend, an Eagle Scout and Philmont vet. I'll not bother
>to ask him his views least she accuse me of intruding. I know when to
>leave thigns alone........sometimes.
>
> Somehow right now it's the same as on the trail at Philmont. When kids
>are doing good, leave them alone.
>
> Back to Philmont.......Northern Tier.
>
> Philmont is trails, backpacking and program. It's planning on meal
>pickups, what to take and what not to take.
>
> Northern Tier is paddling, portaging, trip planning and how to run an
>expedition. It's how to pack all you need now cause they don't do 7-11 in
>the Boundary Waters.
>
> Crews have much more choice in what they do and how they do it at
>Northern Tier.
>
> Physically, I'd say that Northern Tier is much more demanding than
>Philmont. Except for the knees that is. It doesn't have to be because one
>can stay on Mosse Lake for ten days and never portage, but no pain, no
>gain.
>
> Bing hit on a lot of the things different between the two. I'll take a
>stab at it and surely will evoke rebuttal, but I think Scouts gain more
>skills at Northern Tier than at Philmont.
> Philmont offers more entertainment value with the various programs.
>That's just my opinion for what it's worth ( 2 cents).
>
> Throw the tomatoes at me all you want.
>
> John LeBlanc
>
>
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Received on Thu Oct 7 16:48:01 2004