The Phil-list Oct_2006: [philmont] Increased Participation in Au

From: Garrett, Russ <Russ.Garrett@bullivant.com>
Date: Mon Oct 02 2006 - 08:57:20 CDT

There are universities which are not finished until into June.

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From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of
Doug Latimer
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:47 AM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Increased Participation in August

Starting earlier also could have issues.
Before participants arrive there is much to do. Staff training is a very
important. I think in 06 the first crews arrived June 8th. Ranger trainers
arrived 5/21 and most of the rangers arrived 5/29. For some that's over 2
weeks of training. In 05 the snow cover was an issue for the first few
treks. Some trails were closed and if I remember correct some could not
climb Baldy.
Doug

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From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of
Jeffrey W. Knoll
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:48 PM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Increased Participation in August

I am all for extending the season. Our schools are out well before Memorial
Day, but start in mid-August. Opening the season a week or two earlier
would give more opportunities. Colleges are usually done by early/mid-May,
so staff would be available. However, you have the staff's travel time to
Philmont and staff training time to deal with before the ranch would be
ready for arriving crews.

It might be easier to accommodate more crews in the current time frame by
better utilization of lesser used camps and trails. You can look at the
itineraries and see that some camps are rarely used. I've heard that the
most frequently used top third of the itineraries are used by two thirds of
the crews, so the remaining two thirds of the itineraries get relatively
little use. Perhaps adding crews on these itineraries is a solution.

However, each itinerary is not independent. They all share camps, trails,
programs, and backcountry resources, so finding a solution that doesn't
over-tax some resource is not a simple problem. And, of course, you have
all the base camp support functions to deal with, too.

-- Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Bob Klein [mailto:drbob@troop111.org]
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:30 PM
> To: philmont List Member
> Subject: [philmont] Increased Participation in August
>
>
> This is true only if Philmont can keep adequate staff at all camps, and
> at this point they obviously cannot, at least not using the current
> staffing protocols. What might be able to work is a sharply limited
> number of treks from August 15th through August 31st that hit a specific
> dozen camps, then making sure that those camps were fully staffed (from
> the start of the season) with people who are committed to staying til
> September 1st. And then putting something like 4 Crews a day on each of
> the few treks that would hit those specific camps. I could see
> something like this working, but it would be quite an organizational and
> logistical challenge. But let's say you got 12 Crews a day for an
> additional 10 days. And that each one had an average of 10
> participants. Well, that's another 1,000 or so Scouts each season.
> Worth it? To the participants, sure. To the Ranch admin folks that
> would have to administer it, not so sure about that....

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