[philmont] Does anyone else consider Philmont to be a Scouting activity ?

Thank you Bob. I agree. There are ways to address this with other more objective requirements once the scout reaches first class as well.

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From: philmont@troop47.com
To: philmont List Member
Sent: Tue Oct 10 14:58:34 2006
Subject: [philmont] Does anyone else consider Philmont to be a Scouting activity ?

Some final comments and I'll let it drop. First, obviously I have not
seen or even heard about said new definition of "active" - but I will
certainly be interested to hear what they have come up with - though I
seriously doubt if I'll be impressed. Second, every experienced
Scoutmaster knows that, short of criminal misconduct, he will lose any
and every appeal made by a Scout over any decision he makes involving a
subjective criteria. This is nothing new, certainly not to anyone (like
me) who lives in the Land of Lawyers. And third, disallowing Troops to
establish measurable standards to gauge subjective criteria means that
those criteria are unenforceable and completely meaningless, and leaves
the Troop leadership with two options for a Scout who isn't
participating and won't participate: "Paper Eagle" or Quick
Termination. Somehow, I doubt if that's what they had in mind. Me, I'd
rather keep a Scout in the program and on the "real" trail to a genuine
Eagle.

- Dr. Bob


Donald S. Roberts wrote:
>>From: Dr. Bob Klein
>>More likely this falls under the advancement requirement to
>>"Be Active".
>>
>>As background, the BSA's quasi-official line on this is: "Is
>>registered in the Unit". There is NO formal or higher definition of "Be
>>Active".
>
>
> This is not correct. As discussed recently on Scouts-L, the BSA
> has now come out with a better definition and is adding it to the
> newest Advancement Committee Policies & Procedures.
>
>
>>HOWEVER - and this is a very big "however" - the BSA offers wide
>>latitude to Troops in defining what they consider to qualify as
>>"Active".
>
>
> This is also not correct. I have yet to hear of a single appeal
> on a troop trying to impose its own standards of "active" on a
> scout that did not get decided in favor of the scout. Anyway,
> one of the things national has now clarified is that a unit
> may not use any sort of quantitative measure for "active", i.e.
> a certain percentage of outings or meetings, which also may
> not be used for "scout spirit".
>
> Regards
> Don Roberts
> Fullerton, CA
> Los Amigos Districat Advancement Chairman
> Orange County Council
>






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