[Philmont] Paint Pails and Micro Management

One thing that is useful to do on a Philmont trek is to let everyone
be the "naviguesser".

The idea is to have everyone have a shot at doing the navigational
measurements and calculations.

If it turns out someone doesn't know how or someone isn't sure
actually making the measurement gives them the chance to learn or
deepen their understanding.

How this works out in detail is best left up to each crew but one way
is to rotate the chief navigator job daily and during each day let the
chief navigator instruct
an assistant navigator on what needs to be done. Rotate the assistant
navigator job during the day.

There are enough navigation decisions during a Philmont trek that by
trek's end everyone can be an accomplished navigator.

Joe Jansen
JAJansenJr@gmail.com
Philmont 1965; 1978

On 10/12/07, Jim Moss <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:Philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of John
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> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:45 PM
> To: Philmont List Member
> Subject: [Philmont] Paint Pails and Micro Management
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> One more thing. Our scouts had permanent jobs for the
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> Change is inevetible, but some of the change I see taking place in Scouting
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> My old Scoutmaster would have called these "goofball ideas" and he was
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> Without getting personal here, I'll use the above post as an example.
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> Yes, that does lead to proficiency, but what about the other skills that
> each and every Scout missed? Is the proficiency they gained worth the
> absence of all the other experience they missed? They solidly miss the
> oportunity to learn by doing anything but their one job. That is wrong!
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> Why go to Philmont to learn that? Just drop out of Scouts and get a job at
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> While I'm on my soap box, the whole idea of micro management is counter to
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> Forget the turkey bags, your OWN cooking pots and "the best" tent. Take the
> crew to Philmont and let them LEARN how to use the pots and tents that are
> at Philmont. Let them learn the responsibility of cleaning the pots and
> tents before turning them in. So what if they don't have time to go ti town
> for Simple Simons pizza. They got more or "Philmont" than a pizza and they
> will be far ahead of those who don't clean pots because they use turkey
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> One of the thigns our youth is missing out on is how to work with others.
> They learn proficiency with Play Station and all the other computer
> generated games, etc. Let them learn by doing at Scout camp and at
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> Bill Sheehan touts that some of you need to try AA and he's right. He and I
> both went with people we had never met before except learning them through
> this list. One of the skills I used for about an hour is cleaning some
> burned food out of a pot. I learned that at Philmont in 1959 because we did
> not use turkey bags, we cooked ina pot and cleaned it up afterward.
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> I made a fruit cobbler and i burned a part of it in the pot. Yeah, if I'd
> been paying a bit more attention I would not have done that but you try
> paying attention to a pot while the sun is setting at Miranda.
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> So I cleaned it out using old fashioned skills I learned the hard way in
> Scouts. That goodness our leaders let us make the mistakes and learn how to
> fix them on our own. Thiose are skills I use every day.
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> I could go on and on and on about this, but you as a leader do a dis-service
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> Let them learn by doing another way besides what's in the "online Philmont
> bible" on how to do Philmont the easy way.
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> As Sheehan posted about a week ago, forget all this micro management stuff
> and stick to the basics, team building and acceptance of a new idea from a
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> You Mr./Ms. advisor need to do what's important for them to succeed and not
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> PS For gosh sakes don't use plastic paint pails or any otehr non food grade
> plastic container for food, water or anything else going into your mouth.
> This is just asking for trouble.
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Received on Fri Oct 12 20:14:36 2007