RE: [Philmont]: Route selection

I agree with Bruce about Program. My scouts were so excited about milking a
cow at Rich Cabins, I had to buy RC patches for our upcoming Court of Honor.
They loved shooting shotguns, running with the donkeys, rock climbing...
you name it. The hikes were significant at Itinerary 24, but not daunting.
Pueblano is an outstanding place to do your Conservation as you probably get
to work on trails. When you're through with your 3 hours, you can really
see your accomplishments. Ponil has everything: branding, song & dance,
root beer, you name it. If there was one program I would not be interested
in doing again, it would be horseback riding. Nose to butt riding in an
area you've probably hiked or are about to hike. The hikes that were, in my
consideration, "programs" were Baldy and the Tooth Ridge. If I could have,
Beaubien and Mt. Philips would have been on our list, but we'll save that
for the next time. If you go past Deer Lake Mesa, it's worth the side hike.
 
When you are out there, you plan every day's hike around the time you hope
to get into the next camp for program, so the hiking is downplayed because
of the schedule you are trying to keep. It's all a blast, the backpacking,
the program, the Advisor's Coffee, but without the program aspect, you might
as well hike the AT or do Tetons. Program is the differentiator.
 
Joe

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Bruce Bacon
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Route selection

There is an array of treks, ranging from typical to strenuous, that the
youth will be able to choose from. What worked for our two treks this past
summer was to have the boys decide the programs they wanted to experience
and then let them pick the itinerary that enabled them to do so. Remember
that Philmont is so more than hiking. One can hike anywhere in the country
and see some terrain (dare I say) even grander than Philmont, but, can you
get program like rock climbing, black powder rifle, indian lore, 3D archery,
goat milking, fly fishing, spar pole climbing, etc. to make the experience
as memorable? I don't think so. It is my advise to downplay the
strenuousness of the trek and promote the program. I had my eyes opened to
this when on our trek (718-D1) our young men, ages 14-16, informed me that
they came to Philmont to see all it had to offer and they wanted to do it
all, not missing any program. Boy was I educated, all I thought they wanted
to do was hike.
 
Bruce Bacon (73, 75, 76, 04)
Keller, TX
Troop 1910

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Pete Swiggum
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Route selection

First post in this forum so please excuse me if this topic has been posted
ad nauseum.
 
We're heading to Philmont next summer with a group of 14, 15, and 16 year
olds. Most, if not all, of the boys are strong, experienced hikers, or at
least athletic enough to adapt to anything thrown at them in the way of trek
difficulty.
 
With the 35 available treks, are there any specific treks that are
considered toughest or "must-do"? We prefer to take a trek that offers
challenge and gratification once it's completed. What is the best way to
determine which trek to take?
 
Pete Swiggum
Green Bay, WI
Troop 1173
 

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