Most treks backpack Phillips as part of their trek and Baldy is a side-hike
on a layover day. The backpacking aspect intensifies the effort for
Phillips. Our group had 2 crews: one took Phillips, Beaubien, and Tooth;
the other took Baldy and the Tooth. Not sure how many would have the legs
to get from Baldy to Phillips and still have something left to get up and
over, and then trying to put in the Tooth after that! Well, I would think
the difficulty factor would put that sort of trek in the 30's range (Super
Strenuous) and you would need very experienced backpackers, scouts and
advisors alike.
One more thought, PLEASE make sure your advisors go through qualifiers as
you get ready for Philmont. We had one advisor that should not have gone
and we had to manage the crew to her level of conditioning throughout the
expedition. We managed to give the boys a good experience, but at the cost
of the fun the advisors are supposed to also have.
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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of abthomson@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Re: A big THANK YOU... and a few more questions.
Pete Swiggum writes...
To all who have answered my initial request for information on Philmont.....
A great big Scouting thank you to all of you!! (As I type this, another
response just popped into my Inbox).
On one hand, I shouldn't be surprised at the response. Scouters are the
finest people around and will give the shirt off their back to help another
Scouter, especially in a situation like this where I'm looking for
information well in advance of our trek.
On the other hand, I really can't believe the number of responses and the
fantastic advice and suggestions. You all are truly great!
<snip>
At first glance, if I read you all correctly, a crew hiking Philmont will
have the opportunity to hike one or more of the major peaks (i.e. Tooth of
Time, Phillips, Baldy, etc.) Does it make any sense to try and do more than
one or two? Would we really WANT to do more than two? With all the
program, maybe one is enough? I'm really firing question blindly here, but
I would think the peaks would be among the highlights
of any trek.
<snip>
And a couple of you asked me to e-mail you. I didn't notice any e-mail
address to use so I'll pass along mine for you to use. All correspondence
is appreciated.
Comments...
Just as impressive as the number is WHO responded - long time List members
know most of those responders and the wealth of their experience.
Regarding peaks, most (though not all) treks do one of the two major peaks
(Phillips in the South/Central and Baldy in the North), a couple do neither,
and only one or two of the gonzo routes do both. Almost all treks doing
Phillip go over it with full gear, but Baldy is always a sidehike with
limited gear. Other peaks include Trail Peak (usually a sidehike from
Beaubien), and Black Mountain (I understand to be very tough, but with
limited to no views, and usually done with packs).
While the views from the Tooth of Time are spectacular, it actually is not
much of a climb, and treks with it should be viewed more in terms of the
(very rocky) hike return via Tooth Ridge to Base (rather than a bus return
from a distant turnaround). There are one or two treks tackle Tooth Ridge
and as an out and back sidehike to the Tooth from Schaefers Pass.
Regarding the e-mail addresses, they should be included in the "From" line
of each message header. Depending on your e-mail program and/or its
settings, they may not normally display, but they should be there and
retrievable.
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