RE: [Philmont]: Question on a fitness test for Philmont

Well put Russ, you said it better than I did. One of the reasons I
trained so hard was the fact that I was not satisfied with how I felt
after a three dat training trip. Nobody said a word to me, it was just
that I knew that I needed more work. I do think that the mental
toughness is more important than the physical. I have not yet seen a
crew give up on a person who does not give up on themselves, and I hope
I never do.
Happy Hiking,
 Tom
808-F1 (2004)

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> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:49 PM
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> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Question on a fitness test for Philmont
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> I am in good shape and just completed trek 30 in early
> august. I cycle, play racquetball and workout regularly. I
> backpacked over 200 miles this year (over 80 at Philmont). I
> passed my stress test with flying colors. I completed trek 30
> with extra side hikes without any problems although I was
> ready to take a break after the second to last day's hike
> getting into Schaffers pass. I was not the slowest in the
> group. In fact, I could keep up with any of our crew members
> and we hiked pretty fast. I have no idea if I could run a
> mile in under 8 minutes as I don't run. I ran the Hood to
> Coast as a favor to one of our firm's teams last month
> because of someone's injury and I collectively ran (between 3
> legs of the relay in less than a 24 hour period) over 16
> miles. I think my average time was about 10 minute miles. I
> don't typically time myself or race to finish on situps
> either although I can do 45 situps at once. Otherwise, I
> could pass the test. I'm 46 years old (was 45 when I left
> basecamp and turned 46 on the last day). Climbing the tooth
> of time on your 46th birthday and seeing the sunrise is a
> great memory. Every adult should be in shape.
>
> So, having said that I appreciate your PCL's dedication to
> fitness and his concern that everyone be fit enough to
> complete the trek well. I think that the adults MUST be fit
> and solid shakedowns should demonstrate if someone is not
> physically ready. Passing the fitness test for the merit
> badge, in my view, will not guarantee fitness for the trek.
>
> If the shakedown trips are rigerous, then the advisors should
> be able to figure out if there will be a problem. If the
> scouts are always waiting for one advisor or if an advisor is
> having problems with strength, endurance or speed, then the
> advisor should check his or her own fitness and do what is
> necessary to be fit.
>
> Finally, there is a lot more to being a good advisor than
> passing a fitness test and two advisors are necessary for the
> trek. just my .02
>
>
> Russ Garrett
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Suprock [mailto:qa4884@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:41 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Question on a fitness test for Philmont
>
>
> In our troop, the Philmont Crew Leader is often the
> most experienced, usually on a return trip. They have
> the rank of Jr.ASM if Eagle, ASPL if not. The PCL
> runs the whole show from September through the end of
> the trip. They organise and run EVERYTHING, the
> advisor is there to drive, supply his credit card,
> sign for rental equipment, and advise.
>
> My son is the Philmont Crew Leader for this year. His
> last trip was with a district crew where one of the
> adult leaders bailed after two days because they
> couldn't handle the physical exertion and it hurt the
> expedition. Some of the adult leaders on this expedition, as
> he puts it, "have touched more cookies than a Keebler elf".
> To make sure that everyone is capable of meeting the demands,
> he wants to impose a fitness test on all scouts and leaders.
>
> He thinks a test will show those who are not fit
> enough that they have some work to do in a
> non-subjective way. He wants to require every scout
> who does not pass the test to do the physical fitness
> merit badge before they go to Philmont, and every
> adult will have to pass the test, period.
>
> The physical fitness MB is based on the Presidents
> Council on Physical Fitness Test, so his idea is that
> everyone would have to qualify for the National Award
> for 14 yr old boys. This means being more fit than
> 50% of US 14yr olds to pass.
>
> 45 sit-ups in a minute,
> 10 seconds in the shuttle run
> 1 inch reach in V-sit (reach 1in. past your heels
> with feet 12in. apart)
> 24 push-ups
> 7:44 mile run
>
> Although it is not really the same as completing a
> five mile hike uphill at 6000 ft with a 50 pound pack
> in less than three hours the day after you've flown in
> from the coast, is this a reasonable idea? Could
> everyone on your last expedition, including adults, do
> it?
>
> Also, I am concerned with a 16yr old kid telling an
> adult that unless they shape up, theyre going to hurt
> the expedition. Obviously, he will have to handle
> this delicately. He isn't going to be able to say,
> 'If you don't pass, you don't go'; he doesn't have
> that much authority. If you pay your money, you go.
> He is looking to use the test to apply pressure on
> both the scouts and adults. Any thoughts on this
> aspect?
>
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