RE: [Philmont]: Training hikes

for what it's worth, we started the crew on a 10 mile day hike with only day
packs and water to get them used to certain protocols. After that, we had a
series of 1 and 2 night overnights. Each day's hike was 7-14 miles.
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: mackrm@comcast.net [mailto:mackrm@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:17 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Regarding Northern Tier dates for Philmont waiting
list

Last year we had someone form the OA at the regional level come into our
roundtable to do a presentation on Northern Tier. He made the pitch that if
they didn't get their numbers up National was going to close it down.
 
Now it could have been his way of drumming up business, but what do I know.
 
On the topic of pack weight, I had taken the bare necessities to Philmont
based on Coop's guide (great document worth the price) and the ranger was
still telling us to leave stuff at base camp. The safety razor I didn't
miss but the lexan bowl was sorely missed at chuck wagon. When we left base
with all of the food and gear my pack weighed 46#. I weighed 175#. Part of
my load was I carried the tent body and ground cloth. Three adults shared
the tent, a 4 man Eureka timberline. I also carried a large pot, some tent
pegs and my 4 liters of water. I can say I was not the fastest hiker in the
group but I held my own going up Phillips and Trail Peak with all of the
gear on the steep sides. After our night at Cyphers Mine the lead advisor
took the tent and I took some of his bulky items. At the end of that day he
commented on the weight of the tent, especially when it was wet.
 
We had 5 training hikes of 10 miles each in the six months prior to
departure and on one of them we made it a two night trek with elevation
changes and all the philmont protocols. And you know what it still is hard
to breath when there is no air. Would I do it again? absolutely!
 
IWTGBTP
Bob Mack
621-D5-2004
 

-------------- Original message --------------

> Calvin Gray wrote:
>
> "This indicates to me that Northern Tier is having trouble, especially
> during the first month of their season. Probably due to competition from
> the commercial outfitters which operate in Ely and provide an excellent
> alternative to Northern Tier. Hopefully, the situation will improve as
> "competition" tends to do that over time."
>
> **************
> I don't claim to have insider information, but I don't think Northern Tier

> is having troubles. They're just trying to fill their schedule in the
> earlier part of the summer.

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