[Philmont] Pack Size

I am a convert to an internal frame pack

I tried an internal frame in 1998, but I bought a Jansport external frame
(one designed for women) before my first Philmont trek in 1999. I also had
a Jansport external frame pack back in the '70s/'80s.

I also used the same external frame pack in 2003,

I decided to get a new pack in 2005, and took the plunge with a Gregory
(Shasta, designed for women) pack, I got at REI. So I knew that if I didn't
like it, I could take it back. What a difference in design, even from
internal frame pack I tried in 1998. I like having a few external pockets,
and now manufacturers include them on many internal frame packs

THE POINT OF my STORY, try a lot of different packs before you buy. Look
for a outfitter who will let your rent, will let you return, and will help
you fit the pack to YOUR body type/size. REI will let you return, so will
LL Bean. LL Bean also sells many major brands, the only problem you will
need to fit the pack to your size/body type on your own.

Two more things, when I bought my new internal frame pack, I gave my
external frame pack to a girl who was going to Philmont with her Venture
Crew. She didn't have alot of $$$ for gear. SO, my former pack has
actually been to Philmont 3 times.

Got a call from Betty at Philmont, we're #62 on the 2007 wait list and are
now able to get a date !!! YEAH!!!

Kim Pigorsch
Outdoor Chairmun (sic)

www.troop681.com - troop website
www.sdicbsa.org - Council Website

San Diego, CA

>From: "James H. Moss" <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com>
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>Subject: [Philmont] Pack Size
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:04:49 -0600
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>The reason why manufactures are not producing external frames is internal
>frames are more comfortable, carry more, lighter, haul a greater variety,
>fit more types of items, ride better, produce less back problems, allow you
>to carry, heavier loads without the feeling of the weight, etc. External
>frames have a larger variety of openings besides or in addition to top
>loading so you can pack easier and better. You can access stuff on the
>bottom without unloading the entire pack. You can carry your stove and fuel
>on the outside in an external pocket and keep the fuel away from sleeping
>bag, clothes and food. Most internal frames have built in hydration storage
>with tube exits.
>
>Smoke jumpers have all converted to internal frames. All branches of the
>military have converted to internal frames. NOLS and Outward Bound have
>converted to internal frames (over 15 years ago). The last external frame
>on Everest was in the late 70's.
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>We have this discussion before. Packs are not made based on whims, but
>based
>on what the consumer is buying. Kelty, JanSport and Alps are the only mfg
>making external frames anymore (and I'm not sure about Alps next year)
>because once you carrier an internal frame you won't carrier an external
>frame. The market just is not there.
>
>As far as size goes I carry a large internal frame. I am cautious about
>packing it. An internal frame allows you to tighten the straps down so no
>matter what is in it, it rides close to your body. So if in an emergency I
>need more space, I have it. Yet I can carry what I want without sway, etc.
>Tent poles, ice axes, wands, etc can be strapped to the outside. Wet
>clothes
>and tents can be strapped on the outside to dry.
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>A large internal frame is still lighter than any external frame.
>
>Jim
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>From: Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:Philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Craig
>Winney
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:24 PM
>To: Philmont List Member
>Subject: [Philmont] Pack Size
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>The problem is a complete lack of manufacturers producing external frames.
>The "in" thing now is internal frame packs. Thus, manufacturers, bowing to
>the fickle whim of the uninformed masses, only produce internal frame
>product. Take a look at the equipment guide edition of Backpacker magazine.
>It lists dozens and dozens of packs. Only about 6 are external frame.
>That being said, Pete is right. Internals of 5-7000 cu in are probably the
>best bet, if thats your preference. I used a Kelty Super Tioga (external
>frame, thank you) this past summer on my trek. It's listed at 4900 cu in,
>but I had plenty of room for everything.
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>Craig Winney
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Pete Swiggum <mailto:Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
>To: Philmont List Member <mailto:Philmont@troop47.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:46 PM
>Subject: [Philmont] Pack Size
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>This is only an educated guess, but I would think between 2/3 and 3/4 of
>the
>backpacks that you see on the trail at Philmont (or on any other trails,
>for
>that matter) are internal frame packs between 5000 and 7000 cubic inches.
>Some will have outside pockets, some will not. It's all about personal
>preference and thinking about what you need in a pack.
>
>Doesn't mean external frame packs are bad. Far from it. Many are
>fantastic. It's just that more backpackers use internal frame packs.
>
>Pete Swiggum
>Green Bay, WI
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: John <mailto:johngeyster@comcast.net> Geyster
>To: Philmont List Member <mailto:Philmont@troop47.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:18 PM
>Subject: [Philmont] Pack Size
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> What size pack volume have folks been using at Philmont recently?
>
>Internal or External?
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>Did you have enough room, to much or to little?
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>I used a 120 liter pack in 2004 and thinking of dropping down to a 70 liter
>in 2007. The 70 liter worked fine for a 7 day trip this summer with no
>re-supply. But then, I don't carry as much excess stuff as at Philmont.
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