The Phil-list Sep_2007: [philmont] Pack Buckles

From: Jim Thompson \(PhilSearch\) <Jim@PhilSearch.Org>
Date: Thu Sep 06 2007 - 10:57:56 CDT

Excellent point Scott, most internal frames that include detachable fanny
packs use the same buckles.

This is an area folks tend to ignore, crews should carry a pack repair kit
which include parts matched to their gear ... pins & rings (if you have
externals), some wire, duct tape, needle & thread, a compression strap or
two and appropriately sized buckles. While TOTT carries a selection, and
there are only so many sizes, its a roll of the dice as to stock on any
given day ... this is a kit to make before you leave for the ranch.. My
favorite duct(k) tape trick is to wrap a yard or two neatly around a section
of your external frame - works great and you always know where to find it.

For many, Philmont represents the first extended duration backpacking trips.
As we know, ten days out is a vastly different thing that three days out.

YIS

Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Sibley
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:24 AM
  To: philmont List Member
  Subject: [philmont] Pack Buckles

My son's pack buckle was broken by the airlines on the way to Philmont.
The guys in supply tried hard to find a substitute among their spare parts
but none fit the belt. We eventually rented a whole belt from them and
modified the pack.

On the last night at Tooth, my son pulled out the day pack that zips onto
the backpack. What do you know! the belt for the day pack has the same
buckle as the backpack. He was carrying a spare and didn't know it.

Take a good look at all the features on your pack.

  Thanks,
  Scott Sibley
  1975 623-A-1

2004 621-D-5 Trek 4

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    From: "Jack Bolinger" <bolinger@cox.net>
    Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
    To: "philmont List Member" <philmont@troop47.com>
    Subject: [philmont] Pack Buckles
    Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:52:18 -0500

My Dana pack buckle served me well on four treks and all the prep hikes
in advance of each, but could not hold up in a two second strength test
against my new German Sheppard puppy two weeks before our trek this year.
Bought a substitute at REI on the way to Philmont. Warning any thing you
touch and leave your scent on is a target of opportunity for a puppy. 380psi
did the buckle in.

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    From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Wegenka
    Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:54 PM
    To: philmont List Member
    Subject: [philmont] Lemme get the record straight

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: John LeBlanc <philmontjohn@yahoo.com>
    To: Philmont List Member <Philmont@troop47.com>
    Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:48:36 AM
    Subject: [Philmont] Lemme get the record straight

... My one complaint on ALL packs today is the convenient modern
plastic buckles and slide togetehr fasteners.

I hate those thingys. ...

I love them where I'm using them and they work properly which is
most of the time.

I hate them when you pull the pack out of the luggage compartment
in the bus and opne of them snaggs on anotehr pack and W_H-A-M-M-O an
immediate explosion of plastic shrapnel!

This very thing happened to ME when I was unloading MY pack from
the bus VERY CAREFULLY to prevent it from happening and it STILL
happened....

John,

Not sure if this is standard practice for you but I have done the
following with success:

I always fold my pack's hip belt around backwards and clip it
around the lowest item on the pack, the sleeping bag, when in transit. Then
cinch it up so it is not loose and hugs the sleeping bag to minimize any
chance to getting caught on any "buckle breakers". Tuck the loose strap
ends under the belt as an additional precaution.

Learn this trick from my son a dozen years ago and am still using
the original buckle on a Kelty Super Tioga (yep, a 5500 CI external) and it
has "earned" at least ten 50 miler awards over the years (8 while I was
carrying it) I don't have any other packs, one pack will do for me as a
scout is Thrifty.

As for your comment:

...Like when I got snowed in at the deer lease last January by
myself. No electricity, no running water, just me adn the beautiful white
countryside. That was fun for this Cajun who rarely sees snow. A friend
asked me "John, you can't even fluch the toilet" to which I laughed. I said
"Pete, the septic tank isn't frozen, I just colledt about 2 gallons of water
dripping from the roof in a bucket and poof, flushed. Pete, I'm an Eagle
Scout, I'll be just fine, don't worry"...

How true! I have delayed in responding to this for a while as on
8/18/07 we received 15" of rain overnight in southwestern WI three miles
east of Mississippi River back in our coulee. A 3' diameter by 40' long
cottonwood tree made short work of my driveway's 6' diameter by 30' long
steel culvert and the underground electrical power feed to my house. Had to
"rough it" for four days without power. Had similar comments from friends
about "How can you live w/o electricity? Your water pump doesn't even
work" Same game, I just put some buckets outside and also captured a lot in
a lawn cart as it rained for many days after the Saturday night deluge.

Had to cook on white gas but it sure was peaceful in the valley as
my wife had to stay in town with our son and there was limited traffic on
the road that is 3/4 mile away. Conserved the potable water still in the
pump's expansion tank and did not even need to break out the water purifier.
Couldn't get any of our vehicles out of the garage so I had to use the part
of "Being Physically Fit" and bike 9 miles each way to work for that week
until the culvert got reinstalled. I should be able to cull at least four
Scoutmaster's Minutes from that and other experiences related to the storm
and aftermath.

The most important thing you can teach a scout is to use that
resource that's between their two ears and to always learn more as you never
know when you might have to apply that info.

Mike Wegenka

Stoddard, WI

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