The Phil-list Sep_2007: [philmont] Disposable Infernal Frame Pac

From: Rich Wenneker <Rich@WennekerUSA.com>
Date: Sun Sep 09 2007 - 22:04:14 CDT

John,

I bought the original Kelty Tioga when I was in high school in the early
seventies. My mates over the years have referred it as Big Red especially
since I have the extension bar on the top which I strap a pad and tent to.
I used it in SE Oklahoma on the Ouachita Trail during Spring Break of my
senior year. It took it's next major trip in Rocky Mountain Nation Park
August 1974 several days after I turned 18. It's been on three Philmont
expeditions now besides other New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas trips.

It's got metal zippers. It has the metal buckle on the waist strap. The
kids always ask me why I stole the airplane seat belt and put it on my pack.

Some of the nylon is getting weak but I have a plan in case it finally wears
out. A guy in my troop who is older than me and has seen the last of his
backpacking days has my pack's twin. I'm going to have to talk him out of
it someday.

But now I have a problem. Roy Fisher is calling packs like mine (70's)
"collectors items". Should I quit using it? No I'm NOT serious.

But I could quit using it and go back to my OLDER Kelty or my original Yucca
pack I got around 1968. My dad still has the wooden frame that he and my
brother built for the Yucca which includes a metal buckle. I still remember
him soaking the wood and then using nails on a big board in an arc shape to
mold it so it would go around one's back/butt when hiking.

Actually, the pack I took to Philmont in 71 & 72 is probably in my Dad's
attic too. It was the official BSA pack whose name escapes me (Camper
maybe?). It was canvas and had the pockets at the top on the back that slid
on top of a separately purchased metal frame. My brother used it in 1970
and he swears it didn't have a waste strap but I think it did.

For what it's worth my oldest son used a modern Kelty Tioga, but the next
two sons used internal frame packs. I stepped on a plastic waist buckle and
broke one this summer when we rearranging the garage. Dang. The new one
has to be sewed on.

Rich Wenneker

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From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Roy
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:18 PM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Disposable Infernal Frame Packs

But what would you do for a hip belt, much less a buckle?

Roy Fisher

-----Original Message-----
From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of John
LeBlanc
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:07 PM
To: philmont List Member
Subject: [philmont] Disposable Infernal Frame Packs

Ok Mark,

If you gotta come to Texas, Kilgore is as good a place to start as any.
Plenty of oil derricks right in the middle of town. Take that image of
Texas back to California with you if you will.

and while you are there, if by any chance you can arrange it, try to watch a
performance of the Lilgore Rangerettes from Kilgore Junior College. They
are second to none and a real class act to boot. One of our good friends at
our church is a former Rangerette and I can't tell you enough good things.
Just don't sit around a motel room when you could be watching them perform
at a football game or anywhere else.

That's some of the best Texas has to offer..........in Kilgore that is.

Well, I'm at work and taking a break from the stove which has a 3 gallon
cast iron pot full of alligator sauce piquante and rice to match so I better
get back to the stove.

Enjoy your stay in our hot, humid weather.

See you soon.

John LeBlanc

PS I'm thinking of packing my stuff for AA in my old official BSA Yucca
pack and wrapping the "bedroll" around the top in horseshoe fashion just
like my BSA Boyscout Handbook taught me so long ago.

The only problem is that if I do and word gets out, these youngsters on this
list will flaunt my using an infernal frame pack. and that bothers me.

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Mark Liechty wrote:

Jim Moss wrote:

Moving on to the 70's John! Keep dragging your feet and you might keep your
whole unit in the stone age!

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I will be camping with John for the first time in exactly 3 weeks. While
we have not met I believe I would follow him to the 70's, the stone age or
all the way to hell if that is the direction he was heading.

In order to prepare for the time warp I will travel to Kilgore Texas next
week. I am told it is as close to the early 1960's as I can find without
mind altering drugs. Today I am in San Francisco so the drugs are readily
available. Just not my first preference so I will travel to Texas.

Mark

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